> There are some nice old ones scattered around the Willamette Valley of > Oregon that were planted in the early 20th century that are starting > to get their 'wild' appearance. They are currently 60-80' tall. As for the deaths in Zone 7 (which I think of myself as being in, though technically I'm Z8), I think they may be sensitive to summer moisture or a combination of that and poor drainage? I have one (15'+) that is producing cones. I had a bigger one die a few years ago (after I built shelves for seed trays near it and started watering it often). There are a couple of 30-40' ones nearby on land I think will soon be cleared for houses if anyone wants 'em, email me privately. I think there may be male and female ones (different cones) over there? Kelly O'Neill Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween): 2877 N 19th Street Springfield, Oregon 97477 To contact us: * Business Office for mail or by appointment only: gardens@wetrock.com * 1950 Yolanda AVE http://www.wetrock.com/ * Springfield, Oregon 97477 (541) 746-4444 *