Dear Jimmy - and John - and all other curious scholars - It wasn't a person in Texas who wanted to know, but Weej (Janet) Broderson of Goodwood Plantation Gardens in Tallahassee, Florida, who wanted to know. She asked Bill Welch at Texas A&M, who asked me, who then asked the group..... Her exact comment was..."... I've found dates of intro for about 475 plants grown or sold at Goodwood over the years or common in our region. A few very ordinary plants have defeated me - Setcreasea pallida Habranthus robustus, tulbaghia, for example. It matters because we try to handle only heirloom plants (Goodwood's absolute cut off date is 1930). Do you know of any resource I would be likely to have missed? I've used primary sources (catalogs etc) where possible, secondaries (authors such as Wm Welch etc) where they oiffered verifiable, searchable sources." I hope this might bring another outburst of facts.... Cynthia Mueller >>> jimmckenney@starpower.net 08/23/05 11:55 AM >>> I don't want to be a spoil sport Cynthia, but are John's dates the dates of introduction into cultivation, or are they the dates of introduction into American horticulture? Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php