Maybe Jim, what you describe is currently happening amongst Clivia growers. Over on the Clivia list it seems that almost everyone is trying out all sorts of crosses, purchasing seeds or plants of particularly desirable varieties that others have developed in order to introduce those genes into their breeding programs, and many seem to be selling seeds of interesting crosses they have made to yet others who are also interested in finding out what might be produced. And what people are breeding for is almost as diverse as the number of nationalities that are heavily involved in doing all this amateur breeding. (And sometimes the prices involved begin to remind me of the Tulipmania of old.) It is almost bewildering to behold. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 10a On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Actually, Lee, what I had in mind when I said "grow" was something a > lot > more comprehensive. > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the willingness > to grow > plants from seed seems to be one of the great divides in amateur > horticulture.