Hi All, The page that Angelo created for Helicodiceros is especially worth a look as his text with accompanying pictures is very informative. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… It has been my observation that there are times when the ibiblio links don't work. Perhaps it is lot of traffic, or maintenance or who knows what. I have on occasion reported this to ibiblio. Since the support team is very busy, I don't always get a response for 5-7 days and by then the problem usually is resolved. My advice is if you can't get through try it again in an hour or two and most of the time it works later. When I checked the link that Angelo reported didn't work just now, it worked for me. On the other hand the search archives link on the top of the archives page usually doesn't find anything. I'll put in words that are in our archives and get no matches. I have reported it more than once and when the support team finally answers they report it works for them and they don't see what the problem is. I check and it still doesn't work. Every now and then it does work however so in this case most of the time you won't get a match no matter what you type, but on rare occasions you will. I usually put in my name since I know I have posted a lot. This morning it is working (1056 matches--ouch) so if any of you have always wanted to search the archives by word today may be the day to do it. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php Mary Sue PBS List Administrator, Wiki Worker, TOW Coordinator (Whew!)