Dear All, With a start from Mark Mazer and an extra hour or so from me here is an html version of what I uploaded to the wiki yesterday in html format. It's a much smaller file without diagrams but I substituted text for them. It will however take more pages if anyone decides to print it out because there are no colummns. It is dangerous editing something you don't know or understand but this is as much time as I'm willing to spend on this so if there are mistakes I am sorry. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… Please someone write me privately and tell me that you couldn't get the old one and can get this one so I'll feel this was worthwhile. I think Mark McDonough (Allium) has some competition here for a complicated genus. Maybe the Scilla gurus were just trying to make their lives simpler by breaking that genus down into many genera with just a few species. Mary Sue PBS List Administrator, Wiki Worker, TOW Coordinator (Whew!)