I was recently in Denver and took a lot of photos at the Botanic Garden. The gardens were absolutely gorgeous. If anyone has a chance to get anywhere near to CO. You must go and see them. The diversity of z5 plants that grow there is unrivaled (except for my uncle's house that I plant in OH <G>). But, there are a few drawbacks. Many of these "mouth-watering" perennials and bulbs are unlabeled and staff was not readily available to talk to to get details. So, the subject of htis email is that there are several perennials that were hard for me to put a name to the photo. There are some Geraniums with a flower like Pelargonium. There are several plants that I can't really tell if they are Eryngiums or Geraniums. And, there were several Penstemons that I don't know what the species is. If there is anyone on this list that knows what some of these might be, please email me privately and I will get the photos to you. Thanks, in advance, so much for your help. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com