There is a person on eBay that I purchased a Manfreda virginica from several years ago. The hardiness is completely lost on me in So Cal but when it bloom it was very spectacular. I don't know if she is still selling ont here or not. I should have donated the seeds to the BX since with my watering practice, seedlings don't make it too far, they get washed out of the pots. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you)