The person I got them from thought they were liboniana hybrids of some sort. I'm not an expert of any kind, so I don't know what the "pure" species look like to be able to tell the difference, if there is any. Maybe Kevin Preuss might know. He's the expert on them. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10 On Jul 28, 2004, at 7:51 AM, piaba wrote: > why does the caption say "hyb." after the species > name? are these hybrids or species???? > > tsuh yang