Been off line, but will add. Someone suggested - or did I imagine- that the double TL was less enduring than typical form? True? Ellen's sure sound sturdy and long lived as road side survivors. Year ago I got T. lancifolium- fertile/diploid from Dan Hinckley. I can verify lots of seed, fewer bulbils and fertility- sometime seedlings are almost like sod; most die or they would take over. It does seed around a bit, but there are much worse weeds to worry about. Yellow TL - I can't say that I have ever seen one that actually looked like a Yellow form of the common TL. Just some other seedling/hybrid that some grower was trying to hype and pass off. I don't doubt that one might exist, but so might a TL with variegated foliage and I haven't seen that yet either. I especially appreciated Dave K and Jim M's contributions on this topic Lilum superbum. Over the years I have had a few bulbs labelled L superbum (or as a friend calls them "Super- Bum"). I may have lost them, or lost track of them while also planting L. michiganense which is quite similar. This spring all my bulbs were clearly L michiganense. I don't know if L. m. overwhelmed L. s or the name superbum were simply mislabelled. Has this happened to anyone else? More later. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +