Hi Mary Sue, Thanks for keeping this thread going. I forgot to mention that none of the several lots of seedlings which germinated for me in 2003 have appeared this year despite our winter being half over. I am sure seedling bulbs of Gethyllis grandiflora are still present as the dried remnants of the seedling leaves are still present and withstand a gentle pull , suggesting the are still attached to a small bulb. My past experience with G verticillata certainly makes me hopeful I will still get them back into growth. In late autumn was fortunate enough to aquire some Apodolirion seed which is now germinating well. I find summer rainfall amaryllids in general grow much more rapidly for me as they tend to grow on for almost 12 months from an autumn sowing in their first season. I hope the Apodolirion will also follow this pattern. Cheers, Rob