I don't have a greenhouse or cold frames but all the tender plants that I grow in Ohio (Canton area) are in the ground so I think that would apply. I have planted the following with the year planted in parenthesis: Agapanthus commomn CA blue ('01) Dahlia ('99) Karma Fuchsiana, Cafe au Lait, Bishop of Llandoff Rhodophiala bifida ('02) Acidanthera ('00) Alstroemeria ('01) Amaryllis belladonna ('01) Lycoris ('01) chinensis, longituba, sanguinea, sprengerii, squamigera, radiata Zantedeschia ('01) Flame, Green Goddess, aethoipica Crinum ('02) Regina's Disco Lounge, Olene, powellii and p. var. alba Gladiolus ('99) misc large hybrids and minis as well as "hardy glads" marketed by Van Bourgondien Iphieon uniflora ('01) Musa basjoo ('02) Nectarscordium siculum ('00) Tritonia ('01) Bridal Veil, Doll Baby, Tangerine 40+ peonies (not tender but well worth mentioning <grin>) This winter will be a true test of what is truly hardy. ===== John Ingram jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/… http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/ http://photos.yahoo.com/floralartistry2000/