Mark your calendar from May 3 and 4th for the San Luis Obispo Botanical Garden Festival. Check out our web site :slobg.org. Stop my and say hello. I will be working out our plants sale site. Norm Mayer -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 10:37 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 3, Issue 16 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Babiana--TOW (diana chapman) 2. Re: Lachenalia (don journet) 3. PBS BX DONATIONS SOUGHT (Dell Sherk) 4. Re: Babiana--TOW (Rodger Whitlock) 5. PBS BX DONATIONS SOUGHT (Alberto Castillo) 6. Re: Babiana--TOW (IntarsiaCo@aol.com) 7. Fritilaria aurea (Arnold) 8. Lycoris not (James Waddick) 9. Fritilaria bloom (James Waddick) 10. SBLD - Jepson Online Interchange (James R. Fisher) 11. Frittered away (Jamie) 12. welcome 2 new members! (jennifer.hildebrand@att.net) 13. Croft group order (jennifer.hildebrand@att.net) 14. Croft group order (jennifer.hildebrand@att.net) 15. Tulipa polychroma - images loaded to the PBS wiki (Antennaria@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:59:56 -0700 From: "diana chapman" <rarebulbs@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Babiana--TOW To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <001f01c305b2$cc4a12f0$8af1fc9e@DJ9SK221> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Diana in the past has told us about her tests eating some of California's bulbs. What has Diana tried? Hi Mark: I do some demonstrations in the spring for Native American tribes on the traditional uses of bulbs. This is usually for food, although Chlorogalum pomeridianum is used for soap, and the fiber is used to make beautiful brushes that are used to brush the acorn meal out of the mortar. Almost all California bulbs can be eaten except for Zigadenus (deadly poisonous), and were eaten raw, boiled or baked. Most of these were in the Brodiaea group, and have a nutty flavor. Camassia bulbs were prized as food. They taste very starchy if boiled, but if baked in a pit for a couple of days they develop a very sweet flavor, and were then flattened and dried, sort of like a cookie! I haven't been able to duplicate this method, since it was done in a huge pit with many layers of bulbs alternated with damp green alder branches. By the way - acorns are bitter because they contain tannins. They are ground and leached for hours to remove the tannins, and acorn soup has a sort of bland nutty flavor. If it's bitter it hasn't been leached enough. Diana ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:03:01 +1000 From: don journet <donjournet@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [pbs] Lachenalia To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <3EA00595.97C5CAFF@netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jamie, As Mary Sue Ittner stated I am growing quite a number of Lachenalia in Australia. As you will see from Mary Sue's notes from myself I live in a zone 9(b) area and do experience some frost. However I would think that Cologne would be cold enough to cause problems in an unprotected site. I am quite surprised by the timing of the appearance of these bulbs but they may be able to be converted to early spring growing instead of their native autumn/winter. The hybrid names mean absolutely nothing to me but if they have resulted from dutch breading that would not be a surprise. A Trevor Crosby of southern England was growing quite a number of Lachenalia back in the 1980's or earlier and wrote an article for The Plantsman a Royal Horticultural Society publication. The article appeared in the 1986 Volume 8(3) edition. In this comprehensive treatment of the genus he states that Lachenalia start to grow between late July and early October and flower between November and April in the northern hemisphere. He suggests a minimum temperature of 5 degrees Celsius which I would say gives a margin of safety. Mine have certainly tolerated -5 degrees Celsius for relatively short periods during our winter. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Best of luck with your find, it will be interesting to hear how you get on with the late planting. Regards Don Journet Jamie wrote: > Jamie Vande Cologne Germany Zone 8 > > This lovely little and mixed-up genus is currently available in Europe as a pot plant. Normally, one see's them in the stores around September, blooming in a charming clay pot in a peat mix (?), for about Euro 8.00. > > I just saw some corms in pre-pack at the garden centre and, being hopelessly addicted to trying out items I've never been sucessful with, such as Lachenalia, I purchased 3 packs of three corms each of the following hybrids; Rolina, a speckled leafed gold-yeelow with pink blush; Robijn, a deep pink, closed trunpet, lightly specked leaves; and Romand, with plain leaves, speckled stems and lime green to citrus blooms. The people at the garden centre are very understanding and used to me inspecting most carefully each and every pack to obtain the best possible specimens. It's amazing what some people will buy, not realizing that those mummies will never sprout! I snatched-up the best. > > OK, I'm ready, what should I do with 'em? I've read one uses a well-drained, rich soil. How about compost, garden soil and grit in equal parts? Or 50% grit? From what I can figure, these are summer growing hybrids. > > I, also, found (are you ready for this!!) a yellow-apricot Clivia (pronounced according to preferance or time of day, not to mention present company or need to impress one's self that they have mastered all possible manifestations of this all too illusive language!) for the niffty price of Euro 16.98. I think it was a bargain. Admittedly, it won't win an award as the floral segments are quite narrow, the umbel had but 8 flowers, but the flowers are pretty large and a lovely shade of golden apricot. Plus, it had bloomed on another spike recently, so it is pretty robust (and over-fertilised, not to mentioned having been rejected by the hyridizer). What I found interesting is that, around this single yellow plant, the others on the table were not typical orange, but various shades of deep apricot-red to scarlet, again with poor flower form. Someone is clearly working on this plant in my area, but who!? > > All in all, a good start to the Easter weekend, which, as we all no, is only a step away from Christmas for hellishness on the highways! Please drive safe and don't forget your patience (as well as a flask of water, it's hot, here!) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:49:07 -0400 From: Dell Sherk <dells@voicenet.com> Subject: [pbs] PBS BX DONATIONS SOUGHT To: <Dover20@msn.com>, <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, <Puppincuff@aol.com>, <orgamigo@jps.net> Message-ID: <BAC596B2.78B5%dells@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear All, It is once again, the season for planting. This also means that many of us will be dividing and repotting bulbs. And seed will be ripening on plants which grew during the last six months in both hemispheres. The PBS BX (Bulb and Seed Exchange) was a huge success in our first year because members were enormously generous with their extra plant material. We hope that you will do your part to help us have another good growing year by donating bulbs, corms, and geophyte seeds as well as seeds of plants which you think are especially successful growing with bulbs in your gardens. Send clean, clearly labeled materials to Dell Sherk, PO Box 224, Holicong, PA, USA. Donors will receive credit for their postage expenses on future BX offerings. Good growing, Dell --Dell Sherk, Director, Pacific BX ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:33:21 -700 From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@mail.pacificcoast.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Babiana--TOW To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <200304181613.h3IGDxb18428@buffy.pacificcoast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 17 Apr 03 at 15:30, IntarsiaCo@aol.com wrote: > ...A couple of years ago mice nested in the greenhouse, they > ate only the Sparaxis and Babiana. So I tasted the dry Babiana > corms, nuttyish flavor, nice crunch, not bitter like acorns. I'd > bet they could be ground into a flour. I've read -- possibly in Brian Mathews' "The Crocus" -- of crocus corms being sold in the markets of Damascus, braided together like garlic. "Salap", an ancient foodstuff still available if you know where to look, is made from tubers of Orchis species; it makes a pudding of a peculiarly sticky nature. And I've tried bulbs of Camassia, steamed: they looked and tasted like, and had the texture of, library paste. They might have been better baked or roasted. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:12:58 +0000 From: "Alberto Castillo" <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> Subject: [pbs] PBS BX DONATIONS SOUGHT To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <F6b8j4CjDIOJNEiXClo00008658@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Dear all: I second Dell's request. The BX is among the few best bulb seed sources around. I have had the fortune of receiving seed of most of BX listings this and the past year and germination has been 100% in practically all cases. This only happens when seed is very fresh and is not common with commercial seed except from a few firms. The BX has also been the source for bulbs and corms of unusual species and hybrids very difficult to find in the trade. Do send your extra seed or bulbs to the PBS BX. Even things that can be common for you would be welcome additions to others' collections. The PBS project is over generous offering free information to anyone and requesting nothing in return. Contributing to the BX can be a fair way to reciprocate. All the best for now Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:41:42 EDT From: IntarsiaCo@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Babiana--TOW To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <29.3e17ac0e.2bd192d6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, totototo@mail.pacificcoast.net writes: > "Salap", an ancient foodstuff still available if you know > where to look Hi Roger: It also seems to be an herbal "tonic" with interesting uses. I'll look for it on our next foray down Roosevelt Avenue in NYC where there are dozens of different ethnic neighborhoods. Best, Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, CT 06755-0142 http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:02:06 -0400 From: Arnold <Arnold@nj.rr.com> Subject: [pbs] Fritilaria aurea To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <3EA067CE.4020203@nj.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed The first Fritillaria to fully open here. Imperialis is close behind. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… Arnold New Jersey ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:04:42 -0500 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: [pbs] Lycoris not To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p05200f4bbac618cc4877@[192.168.1.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Friends; I am not very in control of the Lycoris offerings each year and this year is an exception to the rule. There will be no list for 2003 due to other activities by my small nursery supplier. Perhaps next year. I do recommend Plant Delights and Fairweather Gardens. Best Jim Waddick -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:15:32 -0500 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: [pbs] Fritilaria bloom To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p05200f4dbac619f88ec2@[192.168.1.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear All; As an admitted Fritillaria failure - or so it seems - I may be 'getting it'. In bloom now are F. persica, F. pallidiflora, F. acmopetala, F. meleagris (only 1) and F. pontica (Not sure about this last one). I keep working on them and keep having failures. I do wish I could grow F. imperialis - happy healthy are perennial ! With Jane McGary's sage advice I hope to try a few more later this season. Anyone have further suggestions? Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:22:40 -0400 From: "James R. Fisher" <garrideb@well.com> Subject: [pbs] SBLD - Jepson Online Interchange To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <3EA088C0.2070301@well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Here's some info on the Jepson Flora Project which _may_ be of some interest to those growing California natives: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: SBLD - Jepson Online Interchange Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:16:00 -0500 From: Scott D. Russell <srussell@OU.EDU> To: BOTLINX@LISTS.OU.EDU April 14, 2003 Jepson Online Interchange http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/interchange.html Jepson Online Interchange is part of the Jepson Flora Project--a continuing online revision of the Jepson Flora of California. This web site is a metadatabase providing access to families and genera as well as individual species. It consolidates related information on taxa from UC data with that from other authoritative web sites. University and Jepson Herbaria data are linked using the Specimen Management System for California Herbaria (SMASCH) database, augmented by bioregional maps, county records, CalPhoto images, International Plant Names Index (IPNI) nomenclatural/bibliographic information, Tropicos taxonomic information from Missouri Botanical Garden, Flora North America treatment, and information from the CNPS Inventory. Links are provided to facilitate submission of updates. Site by the Jepson Herbarium, University of California-Berkeley. (****) -SR ======================================================================== *BOT-LINX Home Delivery sends you the Botanical Link-of-the-Day from Scott's Botanical Link site at URL: http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/bot-linx/ *To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit the listserv site at URL: http://ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/… or contact me by email: mailto:srussell@ou.edu Archived since 1996 at URL: http://lists.ou.edu/archives/botlinx.html ======================================================================== -- Jim Fisher Vienna, Virginia USA 38.9 N 77.2 W USDA Zone 7 Max. 105 F [40 C], Min. 5 F [-15 C] ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:39:00 +0200 From: "Jamie" <jamievande@freenet.de> Subject: [pbs] Frittered away To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, "Bulbs" <Bulbs-L@nic.surfnet.nl> Message-ID: <006f01c3064f$58f155a0$461d07d5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jamie Vande Cologne Germany Zone 8 Jim's frustration with Frittilarias was the case for myself until recently. What did I do to attain success? I haven't a clue! Perhaps it is how I perceive success, those plants that could not adapt just disappeared over time with a few exceptions that insist on hanging in and not blooming. My better growers are F. imperialis, which has settled in in two spots in the garden, both apparently different.Mind you, I started with around 30 bulbs and only managed to maintain two good clumps! After having seen the slendering beds of various cvs at the Keukenhof in the Netherlands, I had to give it a try. One clump of F. imp. AURORA is in heavy, wet clay at the edge of my pond and blooms faithfully each year. It enjoys sun for at least 6 hours a day, only early afternoon shade. The second clump is a Lutea which is in a better drained location, but moist, not so rich and the same light. Further up the slope in a summer parched clay/gravel mix with a bit of organics, F. persic a ADIYAMAN comes back reliably each year and gets bigger and bigger. It shares it's spot with Nerine bowdenii, Amaryllis belladona, reticulata type iris and a few Frit. uva-vulpis (which languish, but bloom). F. meleagris has seeded itself all along the side of my pond in the grass and moss, under Japanese maples, between ferns and will, hopefully, encroach upon my damp lawn! Damp is the ingredient that makes the difference for this species. A hand full of bulbs and we were on our way. Less successful are F. pallidiflora, which slowly disappears and F. pontica, which has hung-in in but one moist spot under a Japanese maple. It seems to enjoy an even moisture in half sun and I will try planting more in the Autumn, if I can find any. The sage green leaves of this plant make a lovely accent with the lime green of Acer pal. dissectum. F. michailovsky has never done a thing in my garden, flowering once and basta, off to Fritt. heaven. It plays the harp along with F. acmopetala! A lovely duet, if you can afford it! The shocking purple blooms of Paeonia kavachensis unfurled in yesterdays glorious weather. Sunny, light breeze and 25°C. Absolutely perfect! It was an absolute joy to slurp lemonade and clean the terrace of the overwintering pots of various seedlings. The energy the sun filters into your bones is just the most healing phaenomenum I know. Lizards are apparently much more intelligent than typically given credit! Speaking of P. kavachensis, I have a seedling, P. Xchamaeleon x P. kavachensis, with wonderful lime green foliage and pink-purple stems. Has yet to bloom, but, if this combi persists, I will keep it for foliage alone. Much like my P. ludlowii, which never blooms, but the leaves make a perfect foil for water iris and Hemerocallis. Everyone asks what that elegant shrub is!? From IntarsiaCo@aol.com Sat Apr 19 06:06:36 2003 Return-Path: <IntarsiaCo@aol.com> Delivered-To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF0920018 for <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IntarsiaCo@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id 3.148.f991835 (18403) for <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: IntarsiaCo@aol.com Message-ID: <148.f991835.2bd279a9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:06:33 EDT Subject: Re: [pbs] Fritilaria bloom To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> List-Id: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs.lists.ibiblio.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>, <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> List-Post: <mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> List-Help: <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>, <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe> In a message dated 4/18/2003 7:06:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwaddick@kc.rr.com writes: > Anyone have further suggestions? F. thunbergii does well here if sited where it doesn't bloom too early. It should be in bloom in about a week. Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, CT 06755-0142 http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:09:55 +0000 From: jennifer.hildebrand@att.net Subject: [pbs] welcome 2 new members! To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <20030419181000.42416200B2@happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu> Good afternoon all, Please join me in welcoming our two newest members, Theresa Massey and Tony Dickerson. Theresa lives in Austin, TX and is especially fond of bulbs suited to her local growing conditions. She also collects amaryllids and irids, two of my favorites. Tony lives in Worcester, England and his interests vary greatly, including fritillaria, juno iris, lilium, corydalis, and erythronium (and I've edited!). Tony owns Westonbirt Plants, a mail order company specializing in the above named species. I don't want to release Tony's email address to the list without his permission, but anyone interested in obtaining details about his catalog, including cost and content, might try to contact him through the list. I'm so glad you both decided to join us! Jennifer PBS Treasurer ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:36:20 +0000 From: jennifer.hildebrand@att.net Subject: [pbs] Croft group order To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <20030419183621.6A01D2002B@happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu> Hi everyone, I'm about ready to send off our group order to the Croft Wild Bulb Nursery. Shall we say that the last day to contact me will be this Friday, April 25? I hope that will give everyone a chance to get their order in. If you have not yet seen the catalog, please contact me and I'll send you a copy via email. Thanks ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:36:31 +0000 From: jennifer.hildebrand@att.net Subject: [pbs] Croft group order To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <20030419183634.5354A200A8@happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu> Hi everyone, I'm about ready to send off our group order to the Croft Wild Bulb Nursery. Shall we say that the last day to contact me will be this Friday, April 25? I hope that will give everyone a chance to get their order in. If you have not yet seen the catalog, please contact me and I'll send you a copy via email. Thanks, Jennifer ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:36:46 EDT From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: [pbs] Tulipa polychroma - images loaded to the PBS wiki To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <197.1905ede7.2bd2f13e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Today, Tulipa polychroma opened up, my first encounter with this species, and it's a delight to be sure! This is a miniature species suitable for the rock garden, only 2-3" (5 - 7.5 cm) in flower, carrying several white "star-cups" to the stem. The center of the flower is yolk yellow, but it's the outside of the flowers that give this species its character. The back of the outer 3 tepals are are tinged matte olive-mauve, and the back of the 3 inner tepals are lightly striped with green and blue. The flowers are deliciously scented, but it requires getting on your belly to take a sniff I posted three views, showing the flowers from above and side views to illustrate the outer tepal markings. Individual links: %%%http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… %%%http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… %%%http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… ...or go to the PBS Wiki "species tulips" page at: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.plantbuzz.com/ << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 3, Issue 16 **********************************
