Dear all; Harold Koopowitz recent book (Clivia)has a full chapter on the namesake and a logical discussion. I urge every debater to go out a buy a copy immediately. Go , now, buy two. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +