Two bits of info Crocus sativus is triploid and C cartwrightianus diploid Instead of the very poisonous colchicine nowadays Oryzalin is used to double the amount of DNA Ben Zonneveld 2013/11/7 <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Saffron Bonanza (Jane McGary) > 2. Re: Saffron Bonanza (Mark BROWN) > 3. BX 352 (Robert Werra) > 4. Re: Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens (Peter Taggart) > 5. Re: BX 352 (Roy Herold) > 6. Australian Seeds ? (The Silent Seed) > 7. Re: Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens > (clayton3120 clayton3120) > 8. Crocus & Wheat Embryos (steven hart) > 9. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Jim McKenney) > 10. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (arnold140@verizon.net) > 11. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Peter Taggart) > 12. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Steven) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:57:02 -0800 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron Bonanza > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <E1Ve7Ov-0004dT-J0@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Lee wrote > >I have always wondered how in the world the first people to try the > >styles in cooking thought to do so. I can understand throwing > >flowers into a cuisine, the whole flower, like squash blossoms or > >nasturtium petals. But just the styles? What were they thinking? > > I believe that saffron was historically used more as a dye than as a > flavoring. I've seen Elizabethan recipes implying that banquet > specialties were "gilded" by being colored with saffron. It is also > used to dye cloth. Annatto and turmeric are also used more as > coloring than as flavoring. Not all people like the taste of saffron. > I don't bother to collect it because it tastes unpleasant to me; if I > want to "gild" rice or some other dish, I'd rather use turmeric. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:17:39 +0100 (CET) > From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron Bonanza > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <976488064.34832.1383772659039.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e21> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I too have noticed how well the saffron has flowered this year but > unfortunately there has been so much rain that soon spoils the flowers if > you are not quick to gather their styles. > I have used Crocus cartwrughtianus albus styles also and yes they are more > fiddly and small. > This spring in Corsica I came across such amazing sheets of Crocus > corsicus with varying sizes of flowers and styles that we harvested quite a > lot. The flavour was milder but good. The colour was nowhere near as > intense though. > No crocus species is toxic as far as I know, so one can assume that their > styles are all edible too. But it is only C. sativus that has such intense > flavour and colour on a larger style.? > I sometimes get migraine after eating saffron. But not always. > Mark > Haute Normandie, > France > > > > " Message du 06/11/13 05:26 > > De : "Makiko Goto-Widerman" > > A : "Pacific Bulb Society" > > > > One time I planted white saffron. I'm wondering if they are also edible." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:57:40 -0800 > From: "Robert Werra" <robertwerra@pacific.net> > Subject: [pbs] BX 352 > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Cc: robert Werra <robertwerra@pacific.net> > Message-ID: <59C3882800DB46F0866F45A3A5BE7472@Game1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Re BX352 I sent seeds and cormlets of Moraeas, Calochorti, and > Fritillaria to BX 352. As usual all were gone and BX closed in 24 hours. > It's against protocol, but I held back about half. Why? Because unless > interested persons check their Email several times every day, they will be > too late. So for those of you who are sluggards like myself, I have some > seeds of Calochortus albus,amabilis,obispoensis,unifloris,venustus > (lavender),weedii (yellow), Moraea tripetela, tulbaghensis, polyanthos, > vegeta, vespertina and Fritillaria affinis and biflora. They are all winter > rainfall so it is not too late to plant in No. hemisphere. If interested, > contact me. Seeds, comments, and mailing are free, but a donation to PBS > would be welcome. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:14:12 +0000 > From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > < > CAELwaKh8Cr_hXw_1Ja5bBreY-RrY_EA34-Xj0yizG8KdRQyZzQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I suggest that precocious top growth being damaged by frost may be the > problem. If by careful siting or other means, the bulbs can be kept fairly > dry, after rooting until the coldest part of winter is over, early leaf > growth may be kept to a minimum and the plants take the cold better. As > they do like water in growth, extra watering and feeding might be required > in spring in order to compensate for the shortened growing season. > Peter (UK) > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM, <bonsaigai37@aol.com> wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > > > I tried the 'Oregon Strain' without much success. Only one is coming up > > this fall, but I haven't checked this week. I was hoping for better. > Down > > the hill, towards Ithaca, in the local banana belt, they grow it will. > > > > I have tried and never succeeded with Narc. bulbocodium in my > > outdoor gardens > > here in Kansas City MO - Zone 5/6. > > Has any one tried this ?Oregon Strain? in colder climates. What > > success? I > > have planted a few outdoors in a slightly raised bed and others in a pot > > for the > > cool GH where I know they do quite well. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:17:46 -0500 > From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 352 > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Cc: robert Werra <robertwerra@pacific.net> > Message-ID: <527AC00A.20308@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Robert Werra wrote: > > Re BX352 As usual all were gone and BX closed in 24 hours. > It's against protocol, but I held back about half. > > Bravo, Bob, and thanks! > > I, too, have received requests from members for seeds or bulbs I donated > to the BX that ran out before they could order. I've been more than > happy to honor requests if I have any left, even to the extent of > digging already potted bulbs. With free postage and all that--happy to > share the wealth as long as they go to PBS members. Sometimes I get some > neat stuff in return, but that isn't the goal. > > True, working or otherwise busy folks who don't have the luxury of > frequently checking email miss out on many of the BX offerings. There > probably isn't an easy way to be fair to everyone, however. > > Thanks to Dell, too. He's a saint! > > --Roy > NW of Boston > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 20:12:02 -0500 (EST) > From: The Silent Seed <santoury@aol.com> > Subject: [pbs] Australian Seeds ? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8D0A96D7FBD4714-1A74-A638@webmail-m236.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi folks, > I know some of you live in Australia. > I am wondering if I might ask for help in finding sources for bulk seeds > of Australian tree natives, especially Brachychiton? > If you can help, or can point me in a good direction, please email me > privately, since I do not wish to clutter the PBS list needlessly. > (Please do not send me to E-Bay - I am fully aware of those.) > Best, Jude > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:00:29 -0800 > From: clayton3120 clayton3120 <clayton3120@cablespeed.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <CABubAXetwgjTm4qk4W8gR=Dj= > PmoKKNj7ozY7CptCRi0BeRQ+g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Peter is correct in his assessment of Narcissus bulbocodium culture. I > raise N. bulbocodium outside in pots, AND in the ground, but out of direct > heavy rain, which, for Seattle gardeners, is the key to may Mediterranean > plants and bulbs. These bulbs are being raised in USDA zone 8b, so > considerably milder than zone 5-6. The soil is quite well drained. It > just may not be the best species for your climate unless you have a cool > greenhouse > Rick K > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > I suggest that precocious top growth being damaged by frost may be the > > problem. If by careful siting or other means, the bulbs can be kept > fairly > > dry, after rooting until the coldest part of winter is over, early leaf > > growth may be kept to a minimum and the plants take the cold better. As > > they do like water in growth, extra watering and feeding might be > required > > in spring in order to compensate for the shortened growing season. > > Peter (UK) > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM, <bonsaigai37@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > I tried the 'Oregon Strain' without much success. Only one is coming > up > > > this fall, but I haven't checked this week. I was hoping for better. > > Down > > > the hill, towards Ithaca, in the local banana belt, they grow it will. > > > > > > I have tried and never succeeded with Narc. bulbocodium in my > > > outdoor gardens > > > here in Kansas City MO - Zone 5/6. > > > Has any one tried this ?Oregon Strain? in colder climates. What > > > success? I > > > have planted a few outdoors in a slightly raised bed and others in a > pot > > > for the > > > cool GH where I know they do quite well. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:54:29 +1000 > From: steven hart <hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com> > Subject: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <CACm0T0cwjUPnwjfa4aPB3B2Te2-_= > pAQPSeFj2zx8jRi0+2mhA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In interesting message someone sent me that the crocus growers might be > interested in.. > > Steve. I know spectacularly little about bulbs, but it's cool see such > passion. > > I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a couple of > years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb contains > an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we used > to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos > > I don't know anything about it but thought it was amazing.. Not sure I > think its a good idea, but still amazing.... > -- > Steven : ) > Esk Queensland Australia > Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:38:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <1383795519.24413.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Steve, the "crocus bulbs" mentioned in your friend's letter were colchicum > "bulbs".? > > Jim McKenney > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:39:37 -0600 (CST) > From: arnold140@verizon.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <17906910.670390.1383795577647.JavaMail.root@vznit170182> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Steve: > > I think you'll find the drug colchicine in the "Autumn Crocus" better know > as Colchicum. > > A great drug for the treatment of gout. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > > On 11/06/13, steven hart wrote: > > In interesting message someone sent me that the crocus growers might be > interested in.. > > Steve. I know spectacularly little about bulbs, but it's cool see such > passion. > > I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a couple of > years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb contains > an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we used > to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos > > I don't know anything about it but thought it was amazing.. Not sure I > think its a good idea, but still amazing.... > -- > Steven : ) > Esk Queensland Australia > Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:26:29 +0000 > From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <CAELwaKgeRFODkFEo6TJO2m6ETcX=nOFNe-MxzLZZyo= > PJHjMDA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Colchicine is used to raise the ploidy of embryos. > I have read accounts of deaths from the eating of Clochicum bulbs and from > overdose of the medicine. Multiple organ failure and no remedy..... it is > absolutely horrific and does not require a lot of the plant or of the drug. > > Though the Iris family is generally thought to be poisonous; not only > saffron is eaten, the corms of some Crocus are eaten as if they were nuts. > IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO CONFUSE COLCHICUM WITH CROCUS!!! > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:39 AM, <arnold140@verizon.net> wrote: > > > Steve: > > > > I think you'll find the drug colchicine in the "Autumn Crocus" better > know > > as Colchicum. > > > > A great drug for the treatment of gout. > > > > I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a couple > of > > years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb contains > > an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we > used > > to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:40:10 +1000 > From: Steven <hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <5EFD70C9-1A4D-4B8E-8361-D065093424BE@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks guys, that's all fascinating ! > > Steven : ) > > On 07/11/2013, at 5:26 PM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Colchicine is used to raise the ploidy of embryos. > > I have read accounts of deaths from the eating of Clochicum bulbs and > from > > overdose of the medicine. Multiple organ failure and no remedy..... it is > > absolutely horrific and does not require a lot of the plant or of the > drug. > > > > Though the Iris family is generally thought to be poisonous; not only > > saffron is eaten, the corms of some Crocus are eaten as if they were > nuts. > > IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO CONFUSE COLCHICUM WITH CROCUS!!! > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:39 AM, <arnold140@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >> Steve: > >> > >> I think you'll find the drug colchicine in the "Autumn Crocus" better > know > >> as Colchicum. > >> > >> A great drug for the treatment of gout. > >> > >> I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a > couple of > >> years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb > contains > >> an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we > used > >> to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 130, Issue 14 > ************************************ > -- T 071-5274738, M Einsteinweg 2 - 2333 CC Leiden E Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl I , http://www.naturalis.nl/