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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Saffron Bonanza (Jane McGary)
2. Re: Saffron Bonanza (Mark BROWN)
3. BX 352 (Robert Werra)
4. Re: Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens (Peter Taggart)
5. Re: BX 352 (Roy Herold)
6. Australian Seeds ? (The Silent Seed)
7. Re: Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens
(clayton3120 clayton3120)
8. Crocus & Wheat Embryos (steven hart)
9. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Jim McKenney)
10. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (arnold140@verizon.net)
11. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Peter Taggart)
12. Re: Crocus & Wheat Embryos (Steven)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:57:02 -0800
From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron Bonanza
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Lee wrote

I believe that saffron was historically used more as a dye than as a
flavoring. I've seen Elizabethan recipes implying that banquet
specialties were "gilded" by being colored with saffron. It is also
used to dye cloth. Annatto and turmeric are also used more as
coloring than as flavoring. Not all people like the taste of saffron.
I don't bother to collect it because it tastes unpleasant to me; if I
want to "gild" rice or some other dish, I'd rather use turmeric.

Jane McGary
Portland, Oregon, USA

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:17:39 +0100 (CET)
From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron Bonanza
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I too have noticed how well the saffron has flowered this year but
unfortunately there has been so much rain that soon spoils the flowers if
you are not quick to gather their styles.
I have used Crocus cartwrughtianus albus styles also and yes they are more
fiddly and small.
This spring in Corsica I came across such amazing sheets of Crocus
corsicus with varying sizes of flowers and styles that we harvested quite a
lot. The flavour was milder but good. The colour was nowhere near as
intense though.
No crocus species is toxic as far as I know, so one can assume that their
styles are all edible too. But it is only C. sativus that has such intense
flavour and colour on a larger style.?
I sometimes get migraine after eating saffron. But not always.
Mark
Haute Normandie,
France

" Message du 06/11/13 05:26

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:57:40 -0800
From: "Robert Werra" <robertwerra@pacific.net>
Subject: [pbs] BX 352
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: robert Werra <robertwerra@pacific.net>
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Re BX352 I sent seeds and cormlets of Moraeas, Calochorti, and
Fritillaria to BX 352. As usual all were gone and BX closed in 24 hours.
It's against protocol, but I held back about half. Why? Because unless
interested persons check their Email several times every day, they will be
too late. So for those of you who are sluggards like myself, I have some
seeds of Calochortus albus,amabilis,obispoensis,unifloris,venustus
(lavender),weedii (yellow), Moraea tripetela, tulbaghensis, polyanthos,
vegeta, vespertina and Fritillaria affinis and biflora. They are all winter
rainfall so it is not too late to plant in No. hemisphere. If interested,
contact me. Seeds, comments, and mailing are free, but a donation to PBS
would be welcome.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:14:12 +0000
From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I suggest that precocious top growth being damaged by frost may be the
problem. If by careful siting or other means, the bulbs can be kept fairly
dry, after rooting until the coldest part of winter is over, early leaf
growth may be kept to a minimum and the plants take the cold better. As
they do like water in growth, extra watering and feeding might be required
in spring in order to compensate for the shortened growing season.
Peter (UK)

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM, <bonsaigai37@aol.com> wrote:

Down

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:17:46 -0500
From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 352
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: robert Werra <robertwerra@pacific.net>
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Robert Werra wrote:

It's against protocol, but I held back about half.

Bravo, Bob, and thanks!

I, too, have received requests from members for seeds or bulbs I donated
to the BX that ran out before they could order. I've been more than
happy to honor requests if I have any left, even to the extent of
digging already potted bulbs. With free postage and all that--happy to
share the wealth as long as they go to PBS members. Sometimes I get some
neat stuff in return, but that isn't the goal.

True, working or otherwise busy folks who don't have the luxury of
frequently checking email miss out on many of the BX offerings. There
probably isn't an easy way to be fair to everyone, however.

Thanks to Dell, too. He's a saint!

--Roy
NW of Boston

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 20:12:02 -0500 (EST)
From: The Silent Seed <santoury@aol.com>
Subject: [pbs] Australian Seeds ?
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hi folks,
I know some of you live in Australia.
I am wondering if I might ask for help in finding sources for bulk seeds
of Australian tree natives, especially Brachychiton?
If you can help, or can point me in a good direction, please email me
privately, since I do not wish to clutter the PBS list needlessly.
(Please do not send me to E-Bay - I am fully aware of those.)
Best, Jude

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:00:29 -0800
From: clayton3120 clayton3120 <clayton3120@cablespeed.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus bulbocodium in Northern gardens
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Peter is correct in his assessment of Narcissus bulbocodium culture. I
raise N. bulbocodium outside in pots, AND in the ground, but out of direct
heavy rain, which, for Seattle gardeners, is the key to may Mediterranean
plants and bulbs. These bulbs are being raised in USDA zone 8b, so
considerably milder than zone 5-6. The soil is quite well drained. It
just may not be the best species for your climate unless you have a cool
greenhouse
Rick K

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com

fairly

required

up

pot

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:54:29 +1000
From: steven hart <hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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In interesting message someone sent me that the crocus growers might be
interested in..

Steve. I know spectacularly little about bulbs, but it's cool see such
passion.

I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a couple of
years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb contains
an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we used
to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos

I don't know anything about it but thought it was amazing.. Not sure I
think its a good idea, but still amazing....
--
Steven : )
Esk Queensland Australia
Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:38:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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<1383795519.24413.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Steve, the "crocus bulbs" mentioned in your friend's letter were colchicum
"bulbs".?

Jim McKenney

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:39:37 -0600 (CST)
From: arnold140@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Steve:

I think you'll find the drug colchicine in the "Autumn Crocus" better know
as Colchicum.

A great drug for the treatment of gout.

Arnold
New Jersey

On 11/06/13, steven hart wrote:

In interesting message someone sent me that the crocus growers might be
interested in..

Steve. I know spectacularly little about bulbs, but it's cool see such
passion.

I can tell you that the wheat development program I assisted in a couple of
years could not have happened if not for crocus bulbs...the bulb contains
an extremely dangerous but useful compound called colchicine,which we used
to double chromosome a number of haploid wheat embryos

I don't know anything about it but thought it was amazing.. Not sure I
think its a good idea, but still amazing....
--
Steven : )
Esk Queensland Australia
Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:26:29 +0000
From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Colchicine is used to raise the ploidy of embryos.
I have read accounts of deaths from the eating of Clochicum bulbs and from
overdose of the medicine. Multiple organ failure and no remedy..... it is
absolutely horrific and does not require a lot of the plant or of the drug.

Though the Iris family is generally thought to be poisonous; not only
saffron is eaten, the corms of some Crocus are eaten as if they were nuts.
IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO CONFUSE COLCHICUM WITH CROCUS!!!

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:39 AM, <arnold140@verizon.net> wrote:

know

of

used

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:40:10 +1000
From: Steven <hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus & Wheat Embryos
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <5EFD70C9-1A4D-4B8E-8361-D065093424BE@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks guys, that's all fascinating !

Steven : )

On 07/11/2013, at 5:26 PM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> wrote:

from

drug.

nuts.

know

couple of

contains

used

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