>> So, you didn't have to go to your local USDA office to get your ID verification? That's funny, They wanted me to do that. It's only twenty miles away You have to do the ID verification thing only if you use their electronic permitting process. If you fill out the form manually and mail or fax it in they don't need to check your ID. Apparently the ID verification process is required for electronic forms because once you have electronic access you could also apply for other, more nefarious permits. Mike San Jose, CA