on 12/1/03 1:09 AM, John MacGregor at jonivy@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry for this one! I accidentally hit the send button before I was finished writing! > on 11/30/03 10:13 PM, Lee Poulsen at wpoulsen@pacbell.net wrote: > >> No, I hadn't gotten any replies. However, now that I read John >> MacGregor's reply, I'm even more confused. >> >> 1. 'Rolf Fiedler' has been known since at least 1978 and even then >> was already named "Tristagma peregrinans"? Why has there been so much >> puzzlement over this species since then? >> >> 2. The entire Ipheion genus was subsumed into Tristagma since at >> least 1963? Is this true? Why hasn't anyone anywhere, currently, >> listed their Ipheion uniflorum species or cultivars as Tristagma >> uniflorum? This is the first I've heard this. > > They have! I took the citations I quoted from the International Plant Names > Index so they are readily available to anyone interested in pursuing the > matter. Just a quick Google search turned up several reference sites whose > authors were at least aware of the synonymy: > > http://www.plantyfolia.com/fiches61/index.html > > http://mnlg.com/gc/species2pz/t/tri_uni.html > > http://gardening.worldonline.co.za/0461.htm > > http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/synrazi.htm > > http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl/… > > http://hear.org/gcw/html/… > > > > >> 3. So if the "yellow" Ipheions are all Nothoscordums and the "blue" >> Ipheions are really Tristagmas, then there never were any Ipheions? >> >> 4. And what about the Tristagma species that always were Tristagma? >> Do they look like Ipheions? I've never seen them (although I've tried >> to grow some seeds of them recently--Chilean species). Does T. nivale >> look like the various Ipheion species? >> >> 5. Should we all re-label our Ipheions? Should we organize an email >> and letter campaign to tell every mail order nursery around the world >> that offers Ipheions that they are really Tristagmas? ;-) >> >> Just wondering aloud... >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10 >> >> >>> Dear Lee, >>> >>> Did you get a private response from anyone about your question below >>> to the group. I am reposting it since it was written under an Oxalis >>> subject heading and may have gotten lost. I know a lot of us would >>> like the answer to this question. >>> >>> Mary Sue >>> >>> At 07:20 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Speaking of uncertainties and bones of contention with regard to >>>> species names and synonyms, I was scanning through Dirk's latest >>>> list of bulb offerings and happened upon this: >>>> >>>> "Ipheion pelegrinans (syn. Tristagma pelegrinans) Known as I. >>>> 'Rolf Fiedler' in the trade before it's true identity was >>>> established. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > John C. MacGregor IV > 815 Park Avenue #4 > South Pasadena, CA 91030-2788 > (626) 799-1554 > jonivy@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php John MacGregor South Pasadena, CA 91030 USDA zone 9 Sunset zones 21/23