Jane and Mary Sue I plead guilty to the typos: S. ramburi should be ramburei and S. hohenhackeri should be S. hohenackeri. And I really screwed up on S. nubidica spelling! I've tried S. natalensis from seeds 3-4 times with none germinating. Glad to read your note re necessity for absolute freshness. Jerry John Flintoff Vashon Island,Washington,USA Zone 8