on 11/30/03 10:13 PM, Lee Poulsen at wpoulsen@pacbell.net wrote: > No, I hadn't gotten any replies. However, now that I read John > MacGregor's reply, I'm even more confused. > > 1. 'Rolf Fiedler' has been known since at least 1978 and even then > was already named "Tristagma peregrinans"? Why has there been so much > puzzlement over this species since then? > > 2. The entire Ipheion genus was subsumed into Tristagma since at > least 1963? Is this true? Why hasn't anyone anywhere, currently, > listed their Ipheion uniflorum species or cultivars as Tristagma > uniflorum? This is the first I've heard this. They have! I took the citations I quoted from the International Plant Names Index so they are readily available to anyone interested in pursuing the matter. Just a quick Google search turned up several reference sites whose authors were at least aware of the synonymy: http://www.plantyfolia.com/fiches61/index.html http://mnlg.com/gc/species2pz/t/tri_uni.html http://gardening.worldonline.co.za/0461.htm http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/synrazi.htm http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl/… http://hear.org/gcw/html/… > 3. So if the "yellow" Ipheions are all Nothoscordums and the "blue" > Ipheions are really Tristagmas, then there never were any Ipheions? > > 4. And what about the Tristagma species that always were Tristagma? > Do they look like Ipheions? I've never seen them (although I've tried > to grow some seeds of them recently--Chilean species). Does T. nivale > look like the various Ipheion species? > > 5. Should we all re-label our Ipheions? Should we organize an email > and letter campaign to tell every mail order nursery around the world > that offers Ipheions that they are really Tristagmas? ;-) > > Just wondering aloud... > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10 > > >> Dear Lee, >> >> Did you get a private response from anyone about your question below >> to the group. I am reposting it since it was written under an Oxalis >> subject heading and may have gotten lost. I know a lot of us would >> like the answer to this question. >> >> Mary Sue >> >> At 07:20 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote: >>> Speaking of uncertainties and bones of contention with regard to >>> species names and synonyms, I was scanning through Dirk's latest >>> list of bulb offerings and happened upon this: >>> >>> "Ipheion pelegrinans (syn. Tristagma pelegrinans) Known as I. >>> 'Rolf Fiedler' in the trade before it's true identity was >>> established. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php John C. MacGregor IV 815 Park Avenue #4 South Pasadena, CA 91030-2788 (626) 799-1554 jonivy@earthlink.net