The common dieramas need summer water here on the Pacific coast of Canada, but don't mind winter rain. I am not sure what Jerry means about how deep to plant them. That sounds as though he is getting some dry ones. Any I grow are evergreen, and I just plant them out as seedlings, and they proceed to form huge clumps. I have broken some clumps up and potted them for sale. I am also growing a number of species from Silverhill Seeds but they are still in seedling pots and haven't been planted out yet. -- Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8 cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) sandy soil