Hello all, What is missing appear to be facts. So far as I can tell, Charles Craib of Penroc Seeds and Plants has the legal permits to collect, propagate, and sell seeds of wild plants in South Africa. Let's not get hysterical without benefit of any facts whatsoever, please. Mr. Craib works closely with the conservation authorities. We import bulbs and seeds from South Africa. Our suppliers cannot even get a phytosanitary certificate without having their own export permits and copies of my import permit. Rod and Rachel Saunders' Silverhill Seeds has for many years been a thoroughly legal and legitimate wild seed collection and export business, with all the necessary permits from South Africa and the provincial governments therein. Would anyone be so bold as to suggest that Rod and Rachel Saunders are also "plunderers?" Jim Shields Shields Gardens Ltd. At 09:29 AM 12/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi PBS, > >I got the following note from a subscriber. The person obviously has issues >with Penroc Seeds and Plants. Given the disparaging nature of the comment, I >would like to know if there is some important information I'm missing about >Penroc Seeds and Plants. ....... ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP