I completely agree with Lee Poulsen that one should try to visit other keen growers when traveling abroad. I've even been known to pull over and strike up a conversation with a gardener when I spotted a really unusual garden. For instance, when Terry Laskiewicz, the Dobaks, and I were in northern Chile a few years ago, we passed a startlingly unusual garden devoted mostly to cacti and succulents. A man was working in it, so we introduced ourselves, and he proved to be the owner and a landscape architect. He invited us to explore and photograph the garden. I also have no compunction about talking my way into the back lots of botanic gardens, where (often) the really interesting plants are kept by curators who are too underfunded or too afraid of theft to put them out in public. I'm sure most of you also share my pleasure in introducing visitors to nearly areas where interesting native plants can be seen. It's great fun to see the reaction of someone from another continent on, for instance, first seeing a wild trillium or Lilium washingtonianum. It's about the way I reacted when I first saw wild crocuses. The big problem is getting to the gardens. I've driven around alone in New Zealand and Australia, but I won't do so in England. (Have you ever attempted complex navigation while driving alone? Not fun -- especially if you're on roads with no place to pull over, not to mention driving a car from the right side and not being fully aware of where the left edge of the car is exactly.) My dream is that I might meet people who want to make a driving trip of, say, the great bulb collections of their native isle, in exchange for my driving them around some of the great plant sites of the US Pacific coast. In default of private travel, which is really the best way to see almost any country, I can recommend the plant tours put on by Greentours. I'm planning to go on their "fall bulbs of Jordan" trip around the beginning of December. It was to be "winter bulbs" with Onco irises included, but has been rescheduled for some reason. Still, it would be worth it for the archaeological sites alone. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA