Dear Friends, Excuse my foray into 'New Rules' obviously not intended as gospel or guidance. My major priority is understanding. No matter how mangled the words, letters and sound may be, as long as the intent is there... For example; I have a friend who is a knowledgeable and quite able gardener. Although English is his first language he disdains scientific names mostly out of fear of saying the wrong thing. In close quarters and among friends he will make a Latin utterance. We were talking lilies a while back and I referred to Lilium superbum, a name whose emphasis seems to be the word 'superb' with a less stressed 'um' ending. He replied about Lilium superbum as a dual stressed 'super' and 'bum'. I suppressed a major laugh after getting a mental picture of a well endowed rear end. But I did understand the real subject. So it goes. Superb. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +