My Crinum x-powellii roseum form are still here, but Jim McK is right about a strong back to excavate a clump out of the ground. I leave that to my hired staff, now all gone off to school again for the winter. As Ellen mentions, x-powellii album is a much nicer garden plant than x-powellii roseum. Nicer than any of the x-powellii as garden plants are Crinum bulbispermum and C. variabile. Both are hardy here once the bulbs reach about 2 inches in diameter. Plant them at least 8 inches deep and mulch heavily the first couple of winters. After that, they'll do just fine in USDA zone 5 and warmer. I have a few volunteer seedlings of some crinum coming up in one bed out in the open. I assume they are C. bulbispermum; this seems to violate my 2-inch rule. Following the 2-inch rule, other hardy crinums are C. [bulbispermum x lugardiae] and [variabile x bulbispermum]. Some C. [macowanii x bulbispermum] are hardy here in the ground, but only about 1 out of three plants in the cross I tested a few years ago. Some [bulbispermum x graminicola] also survived outdoors in the ground for a couple of winters before I turned chicken and potted them up again. They still have not bloomed. (Note: I may have the pollen parents and the seed parents reversed in some of those crosses I listed.) Jim Shields in beautiful, mild Westfield Indiana, where the heat is soon going to ratchet rapidly back up above 90F/32C At 12:25 PM 8/28/2010 -0400, you wrote: >Ellen wrote of Crinum x powellii: "I excavated my pink ones last year and >discarded them - far too much leaf for the flower power..." ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA