The cold-hardy Lycoris we grow here in central Indiana -- LL. chinensis, longituba, sprengeri, squamigera -- probably need cold winters and warm summers, and plenty of water. I don't know how cool nights would affect them, but I suspect that too-warm winters would cause problems. Crinums from South Africa are accustomed to cool nights in summer. I think they would be worth trying if you have the space. Less voluminous species include CC. lugardiae, minimum/waltheri (sp?), kirkii, lineare, carlo-schmidtii, and broussonetii (off the top of my head). The last three species need summer-bog growing conditions. Seed is usually available in summer through the IBS SX. The Lycoris bulbs grow fairly shallow while the Crinum can grow quite deep, so you might even be able to interplant the two genera, if the winter moisture levels turn out to be sufficiently compatible. Jim Shields in central Indiana USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA