Thanks Jim, it just shows my lack of knowledge of these. I presume the red ones are definitely Nerines and I know the masonorium one is definitely that. I was told when given the bulb of the Nerine Masonorium Alba that it is rare. Is it? Ina in Auckland where it is now sunny and spring like, but it being spring, won't last long. On 8:59 a.m., Jim McKenney wrote: > Ina, Lycoris and Nerine, while similar in appearance, are distinct genera. > As the two parallel threads now running show, they also have very different > cultural requirements. Lycoris are Asian in origin, Nerine are from southern > Africa. > > > > Historically there is good reason to confuse them. Back in the seventeenth > century, a ship returning to England from Japan wrecked off the coast of > Guernsey (one of the Channel Islands between England and the Continent). > Among the flotsam and jetsam were live bulbs which took very well to the > Guernsey conditions. When the plants flowered, they were seen to have bright > red flowers on 12-18” scapes. Because the ship in question was returning > from Japan, some looked to the flora of Japan for the identity of the > plants. In fact, the first description of the plant attributed it to Japan. > Also, the plants answered pretty well to Lycoris radiata, and this began a > confusion which persisted right up into the middle of the twentieth century. > > > > > Evidently the ship in question had stopped during the trip around the Cape > and taken on cargo – among other things bulbs, Nerine bulbs. And eventually > the proper identity (and place of origin) of the bulbs from the ship wreck > was established: they were Nerine sarniensis (the species name sarniensis is > Latin for Guernsey). > > > > Superficially, Lycoris radiata and Nerine sarniensis are similar in > appearance. > > > > When I was a kid, I bought bulbs of Lycoris radiata in a bag with a crude, > color printed label which identified them as Nerine sarniensis – this nearly > three hundred years after the events which started this confusion. > > > > > > Jim McKenney > > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone > 7 > > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ > > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ > > > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >