Max Withers asked about the germination of Lilium bolanderi. Max, I would put the seed into a zip lock bag with a suitable moist medium. Then put the baggie into the refrigerator (not the freezer); after about two months begin to check the seeds for signs of germination. It may take much longer than that for them to show signs of germination if the seed is old seed, but within three or four months you should see abundant germination (i.e. the seeds will have produced a bulblet) from fresh seed. At that point, bring them out into the warmth and they will produce a leaf. You mentioned warm-cold stratification: I would not recommend this for this species or for any western North American lily. Experience here on the east coast suggests that planting seed of western North American lilies outside in the spring is an invitation to disaster: they will not germinate at warm soil temperatures; and in a warm, wet medium they will rot. In other words, skip the warm stratification cycle. McRae's recommendation is a good one for garden planted seed in the Pacific Northwest, where the rains come in August and soil temperatures start to drop - and where the summers are dry compared to east coast conditions. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/