Hi, In the Ammocharis example I think it does look better the second way, but the mouse over text which is very interesting and a valuable addition to that wiki page is much smaller than the rest of the text. I'm wondering if that wouldn't make it difficult to read for the visually impaired. Another alternative would be to move the text above the thumbnails. So we now have: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… If you did it the last way the mouse over in the current version text could be shortened since the information would be above. It is going to take an extremely long time to make these changes on the wiki so it is important for us to figure out what we want first before we start changing pages so we don't have to change them more than once. For instance there are some experiments that were done without the mouse over text before it worked where the thumbnails work but the mouse over text is limited since it didn't seem needed. For those of you who wish we weren't taking so much time on the list about this, our wiki is a list project so having it work for all of us is a good goal. But you could send your comments to me or Jay or Susan or all three of us privately if you'd like. And if you want to help us make the changes, contact me privately. The nice thing about Jay's work is that the old and the new can still work simultaneously so we don't have to make the changes immediately. We may have to break up the long pages so they won't take so long to load as we have done already for Allium and Moraea and South African Gladiolus and that I can tell you from experience is very time consuming to do. Mary Sue