Jim, I've got a few under lights but the foliage is relatively soft and floppy...except for pustulata. They do appear to want lots of water when in growth, but even when I keep up with them the leaves are all over the place. Is this just how they behave, or do I need to do something that I'm not? Carlo Carlo A. Balistrieri (carlob@ridgewoodpower.com) The Gardens at Turtle Point 79 Turtle Point Road Tuxedo Park, NY 10987 Zone 6 (845.351.2049)