Hi! This is my first time to try to respond to this list, so I hope it works. I have H. X Johnsonii growing in my gardens (5-6" deep). The bulbs came from a ranch in Texas. I tried several times to pollinate them and never got any seed pods. I tried selfing them. I tried crossing them with Red Lion, Appleblossom and Minerva (which were growing in pots) and no pods. Last spring, Hans-Werner convinced me to try to self them again. As luck would have it, we had drought conditions which I believe helped. The only pods that did not form were the ones that I pollinated following a rain. I also happened to have two small bulbs in a one gallon nursery pot in a protected porch area. One of the small bulbs happened to bloom at the same time as Amputo which was sitting right next to it. I tried pollinating Amputo with Johnsonii and Johnsonii with Amputo. Pods formed and ripened on both. Somehow, the seeds were place in a box and lost for several months. When I found them, I planted them right away, and they germinated. The seeds that I planted that germinated were Johnsonii x Johnsonii, Amputo X Johnsonii, and Johnsonii X Amputo. I plan to try again this year. I did not protect the blooms from being pollinated by bees, etc., and I have many hippeastrums that were blooming at the same time. Does that sound reasonable to you? I can provide pictures of my Johnsonii if I have permission to provide a link to them on my website. Ann Benson Zone 9a Mobile, AL -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:00 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 4 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> Today's Topics: 1. Crossing Hippeastrelia (B.J.M. Zonneveld) 2. Re: Crossing Hippeastrelia (J.E. Shields) 3. Re: [BULBS-L] Hippeastrum x-johnsonii (James Waddick) 4. Re: Crossing Hippeastrelia (Adam Fikso) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:07:04 +0100 From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl> Subject: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <8E19E8A2233ED74D8483ACF3FBB3603B8A6C33@iblmail.ibl.leidenuniv.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I wrote earlier for BULBS: My Hippeastrelia is a cross between the hexaploid form of Sprekelia and a tetraploid hippeastrum cultivar. A "cross' with hippeastrum again only did give me the hippeastrelia again, a case of apomixis. However a cross with the hexaploid sprekelia did give me genuine intermediates. All was checked by measuring nuclear DNA content So if you send me a seedling of your batch I can check it for you and you don't have to wait for flowers. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500 From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070103101636.00b0f248@pop.indy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all, Is Hippeastrum x-johnsonii a triploid? Is it ever fertile? We used its pollen a year ago and set pods on a couple of plants, including H. evansiae and a big commercial hybrid. Putting pollen on johnsonii itself gave us no seeds. I'm just wondering what those seeds might have for parents. Any thoughts on that? We got a good yield of seeds in the pods that formed, and we are growing some of the seedlings now. Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA) where a frosty morning was followed by bright winter sunshine and, maybe, later we will see temperatures in the 50's F again ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:52:57 -0600 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] [BULBS-L] Hippeastrum x-johnsonii To: "Discussion List for geophytes of the world (Bulbs)" <BULBS-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL> Cc: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <p06230944c1c17d44e619@[192.168.1.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I'd like to know who has tried to grow Hippeastrum x-johnsonii >outdoors, and how it fared. It is supposed to be the hardiest >Hippeastrum, but some have said it survived but does not bloom in >the North. > >Who has first-hand experience they can share with us? Dear Jim S; I have 3 plants outdoors ( about a foot apart from each other) very near the south side of an unheated garage foundation. They emerge late and have yet to bloom in 3 or 4 years. I'd say they just exist, not thrive even in our recent mild weather winters. I have seen them vigorous and blooming in the Dallas TX area. My plants came from a nursery in Wichita KS, but don't know how satisfactory they are there. I also have a few in a pot in a cold frame, but these have not bloomed either! Any help? Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:34:43 -0600 From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <001601c72f55$13278070$5ad8fea9@FAMILY> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have seedlings from (Hippeastrum x johnsonii x Sprekelia formossissima) x self both 1 year and 2 year babies in pots that are from crosses I made. The H. x johnsonii appears to be the real thing as it is somewhat more gracile than some of what I take to be later confusions with the original or latter-day similarly colored Hippeastrums that have broader tepals. It was about 18" , with 4 flowers (bought on eBay) from a lady in the South who said that she had had it her garden for many years. One crop is a self from a Hippeastrelia labelled 'Durga Pradhan', the other was my repeat of the cross, and not properly designated as DP. Don't know if johnsonii is triploid. I suspect that it is not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia > Hi all, > > Is Hippeastrum x-johnsonii a triploid? Is it ever fertile? > > We used its pollen a year ago and set pods on a couple of plants, > including > H. evansiae and a big commercial hybrid. Putting pollen on johnsonii > itself gave us no seeds. > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 48, Issue 4 **********************************