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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
(Shmuel Silinsky)
2. Drimia/Urginea maritima (Nathan Lange)
3. Re: Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
(Charles Powne)
4. Re: Drimia/Urginea maritima (Paul LICHT)
5. Re: Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
(Paul LICHT)
6. Re: Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
(Luminita vollmer)
7. six ft tall in Portland (Jane Sargent)
8. Hippestrelia hybrids (Steve Evans)
9. Re: Hippestrelia hybrids (Tim Eck)
10. Re: Hippestrelia hybrids (Steve Evans)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:34:50 +0300
From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
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Drimia maritima is native here in Israel. Leaves are winter, early spring
and flowers (white only) are late summer. June seems pretty early. Why
would they bloom so early in California?

Shmuel Silinsky
Jerusalem

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:45:24 -0700
From: Nathan Lange <plantsman@comcast.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: [pbs] Drimia/Urginea maritima
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Paul,

California microclimates never cease to amaze. I wonder why your
plants flower so early. Do they flower about in April/May every year,
never any later?

Nathan

At 12:18 PM 6/10/2018, you wrote:

Nathan
I have both Merwilla and Drimia (which I still refer to as Urginea). They
are completely different, The Merwill hasn't even sent up buds yet and
looks entirely different. The Urginea have enormous bulbs, wider leaves and
of course, the bulbs are entirely different. I've had the Urginea for 5yrs
or more. Several started as relatively large bulbs and others from small
offsets; all from Tim Gregory. His in Woodside do not bloom as early as
mine in El Cerrito, The leaves are almost fully dried back now and will
remain dormant. Some will get a little water because they're mixed with
other stuff. For some reason, I never bothered to photograph the flowers.

Paul

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Lange <plantsman@comcast.net>
wrote:

Hi Paul,

Your plants sound very interesting and significantly deviate from anything
I've ever seen before. Do you have pictures? What is the source of your
plants? Approximately, when did the foliage die back this year? The foliage
on my non-irrigated plants was still green a month ago.

The established colonies of bulbs in the Sacramento area (hot dry summers)
that I've seen consistently flower in late July into August. Plants in
cooler Sonoma County flower much later with the flowering times seemingly
correlated with when the foliage dies back. I have never seen a plant in
flower before July.

Sometimes, I get one of the old names, Scilla maritima, mixed up with
Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbea) which, in my experience, better fits
the flowering time you described. Any possibility of that? I feel compelled
to ask because April/May flowering Drimia maritima is really unusual.

Does anyone else grow Drimia maritima in California that flower before
June?

Nathan

At 08:03 AM 6/10/2018, you wrote:

I have 6 or more in my Berkeley area garden. They are multiplying a bit
too
fast. All bloomed this year and blooming finished about a month ago. The
leaves are now dying back.

Paul

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:21:55 -0700
From: Charles Powne <iyou@mac.com>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
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Thank you for posting the photo for me, David, and for the identification. Thanks as well to Bob Nold for the further confirmation of the name. This group is amazing.

Charles Powne
iyou@me.com
https://map.what3words.com/extend.storm.palace
USDA zone 8b

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:38:30 -0700
From: Paul LICHT <plicht@berkeley.edu>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Drimia/Urginea maritima
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so far.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Nathan Lange <plantsman@comcast.net>
wrote:

Paul,

California microclimates never cease to amaze. I wonder why your plants
flower so early. Do they flower about in April/May every year, never any
later?

Nathan

At 12:18 PM 6/10/2018, you wrote:

Nathan
I have both Merwilla and Drimia (which I still refer to as Urginea). They
are completely different, The Merwill hasn't even sent up buds yet and
looks entirely different. The Urginea have enormous bulbs, wider leaves
and
of course, the bulbs are entirely different. I've had the Urginea for
5yrs
or more. Several started as relatively large bulbs and others from small
offsets; all from Tim Gregory. His in Woodside do not bloom as early as
mine in El Cerrito, The leaves are almost fully dried back now and will
remain dormant. Some will get a little water because they're mixed with
other stuff. For some reason, I never bothered to photograph the flowers.

Paul

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Lange <plantsman@comcast.net>
wrote:

Hi Paul,

Your plants sound very interesting and significantly deviate from

anything

I've ever seen before. Do you have pictures? What is the source of your
plants? Approximately, when did the foliage die back this year? The

foliage

on my non-irrigated plants was still green a month ago.

The established colonies of bulbs in the Sacramento area (hot dry

summers)

that I've seen consistently flower in late July into August. Plants in
cooler Sonoma County flower much later with the flowering times

seemingly

correlated with when the foliage dies back. I have never seen a plant in
flower before July.

Sometimes, I get one of the old names, Scilla maritima, mixed up with
Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbea) which, in my experience, better

fits

the flowering time you described. Any possibility of that? I feel

compelled

to ask because April/May flowering Drimia maritima is really unusual.

Does anyone else grow Drimia maritima in California that flower before
June?

Nathan

At 08:03 AM 6/10/2018, you wrote:

I have 6 or more in my Berkeley area garden. They are multiplying a bit
too
fast. All bloomed this year and blooming finished about a month ago.

The

leaves are now dying back.

Paul

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:39:27 -0700
From: Paul LICHT <plicht@berkeley.edu>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
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Who knows? Berkeley is a special place I guess

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com>
wrote:

Drimia maritima is native here in Israel. Leaves are winter, early spring
and flowers (white only) are late summer. June seems pretty early. Why
would they bloom so early in California?

Shmuel Silinsky
Jerusalem
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 16:50:45 -0500
From: Luminita vollmer <luminita.vollmer@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Six feet tall and blooming in Portland: What is it?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hi everyone - one amazing group! How can I give back? i just take in and
take in.
Never seen any big bulbs except in books, pictures, videos. My biggest
bulbs are giant red cannas, in a good year!

;)

Luminita

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Charles Powne <iyou@mac.com> wrote:

Thank you for posting the photo for me, David, and for the identification.
Thanks as well to Bob Nold for the further confirmation of the name. This
group is amazing.

Charles Powne
iyou@me.com
https://map.what3words.com/extend.storm.palace
USDA zone 8b

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:51:15 -0400
From: Jane Sargent <jane@deskhenge.com>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: [pbs] six ft tall in Portland
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I actually grew this plant here in Zone 5 Massachusetts, but lost it
after a couple of years, perhaps because I didn't seek out a
microclimate for it (I've grown craftier.) It's an eremurus. It didn't
have a bulb at all, more a starfish of bloated roots, making it kind of
a pain to plant. I got it from some commercial source, probably Brent
and Becky's Bulbs. They have always sent me good stuff.

Jane Sargent

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:00:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steve Evans <steve_e41@yahoo.com>
To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net"
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Subject: [pbs] Hippestrelia hybrids
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I recently bloomed a hybrid I made by crossing Hippeastrum Apple Blossom with Hippestrelia Durga Pradhan.? The result was a scape bearing a single flower about 5" diameter.? I self pollinated it and have a healthy seed pod.? Does any one have experience with F3 hybrids of this?Steve in Oklahoma

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:19:49 -0400
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Hippestrelia hybrids
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Steve,
I think it would be better classified as a BC1F2 (Sprekelia crossed and backcrossed to Hippeastrum and selfed), assuming Durga Pradhan was an F1. And even that assumes that all the Hippeastrum involved were the same species.
David Lehmiller has done a lot of Sprekelia intergeneric crosses but I don't know anyone else.
Tim Eck

?Time is nature?s way of preventing everything from happening at once.?
Anon.

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I recently bloomed a hybrid I made by crossing Hippeastrum Apple Blossom
with Hippestrelia Durga Pradhan. The result was a scape bearing a single
flower about 5" diameter. I self pollinated it and have a healthy seed
pod. Does any one have experience with F3 hybrids of this?Steve in Oklahoma

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 22:26:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steve Evans <steve_e41@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Hippestrelia hybrids
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Thanks.? Without knowing the exact makeup of Durga Pradhan this makes sense.? My plant does have narrower foliage than me Durga Pradhan.? Also the flower showed more of a Sprekelia influence.??

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 17:19, Tim Eck<teck11@embarqmail.com> wrote: Steve,
I think it would be better classified as a BC1F2 (Sprekelia crossed and backcrossed to Hippeastrum and selfed), assuming Durga Pradhan was an F1.? And even that assumes that all the Hippeastrum involved were the same species.
David Lehmiller has done a lot of Sprekelia intergeneric crosses but I don't know anyone else.
Tim Eck

?Time is nature?s way of preventing everything from happening at once.?
Anon.

I recently bloomed a hybrid I made by crossing Hippeastrum Apple Blossom
with Hippestrelia Durga Pradhan.? The result was a scape bearing a single
flower about 5" diameter.? I self pollinated it and have a healthy seed
pod.? Does any one have experience with F3 hybrids of this?Steve in Oklahoma

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