Patents and trademarks
Michael Homick (Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:33:29 PDT)

From the patent documentation stating the patent only applies to original
plant and mutations/sports would not apply, does that mean if you induced a
plant to become a tetraploid / aneuploid of the original you could sell it
legally?
All the best, Michael

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Tony Avent <Tony@plantdelights.com> wrote:

All;

Actually, Plant Patents are more broad in their scope..they cover all
clonal propagation, not just commercial propagation. The idea of a patent
is to promote invention, and to reward inventors. In exchange for fully
disclosing how the new plant was produced, inventors are granted 20 years
of propagation protection for their new plant. Sadly, many applicants lie
on the patent application, which is Federal crime. Also, in an attempt to
gain protection outside of the 20 year legal window, people will trademark
the plant or name of the plant. This is highly illegal, since no product
or the name of any product may be trademarked. Trademarks can only be used
to designate origin of the product. Patents and trademarks are not the
problem. That would be like saying cars or alcohol should be banned
because some people abuse it. The problem is simply unscrupulous people who
abuse the system. Below are two sections from the US Patent and Trademark
office that may answer other questions.

If you have more questions on the illegal use of trademarks, you can find
my article on the subject at
https://plantdelights.com/blogs/articles/…

Rights Conveyed by a Plant Patent
Grant of a plant patent precludes others from asexually reproducing,
selling, offering for sale, or using the patented plant or any of its parts
in the United States or importing them into the United States. A plant
patent is regarded as limited to one plant, or genome. A plant derived from
a sport or a mutant is unlikely of the same genotype as the original plant,
and thus would not be covered by the plant patent to the original plant.
Such plant derived from a sport or such mutant may itself be protected
under a separate plant patent, subject to meeting the requirements of
patentability. A plant patent expires 20 years from the filing date of the
patent application. As with utility patents, when the plant patent expires,
the subject matter of the patent is in the public domain.

Provisions and Limitations

Patents to plants, which are stable and reproduced by asexual
reproduction, and not a potato or other edible tuber reproduced plant, are
provided for by Title 35 United States Code, Section 161 which states:

"Whoever invents or discovers and asexually reproduces any distinct and
new variety of plant, including cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, and
newly found seedlings, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found
in an uncultivated state, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the
conditions and requirements of this title.

The provisions of this title relating to patents for inventions shall
apply to patents for plants, except as otherwise provided."

As noted in the last paragraph of the statute, the plant patent must also
satisfy the general requirements of patentability. The subject matter of
the application would be a plant which is developed or discovered by the
inventor, and which has been found stable by asexual reproduction. To be
patentable, it is also required:

· That the plant was invented or discovered in a cultivated state,
and asexually reproduced.

· That the plant is not a plant which is excluded by statute,
where the part of the plant used for asexual reproduction is not a tuber
food part, as with potato or Jerusalem artichoke;

· That the inventor named for a plant patent application must be
the person who actually invented the claimed plant, i.e., discovered or
developed and identified or isolated, and asexually reproduced the plant;

· That the plant has not been patented, in public use, on sale, or
otherwise available to the public prior to the effective filing date of the
patent application with certain exceptions;

· That the plant has not been described in a U.S. patent or
published patent application with certain exceptions;

· That the plant be shown to differ from known, related plants by
at least one distinguishing characteristic, which is more than a difference
caused by growing conditions or fertility levels, etc.; and

· That the invention would not have been obvious to one having
ordinary skill in the art as of the effective filing date of the claimed
plant invention.

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From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of
Jo&Greg
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:43 PM
To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Question regarding commercial advertising

Perhaps a note or two regarding patented plants may help. My comments come
from my experience with publishing, and copyright info in both USA and
Canada ... copyright is slightly different yet using the same underlying
principles as a patent.
"Resale" and "propagation" and "commercial" all refer to for-profit
business. Non-profit organizations can offer books, plants, seed, etc., for
sale without crossing copyright -- and as far as I've found out -- patent
regulations. Plant patents are also legally suspect. You cannot patent a
recipe or technique and the horrible Monsanto cases against the grain
farmers aside, some feel the change in the plant is more like a recipe
shift than something new or unique (the DNA is not fundamentally changed),
and natural self-sowing or seed drift from natural sources are outside the
purview of an intent to retail a product. That said, plants can at present
be patented.

So, I'd go ahead and have that plant sale and seed swap. And remember,
though we are not a group of veggies farmers, when it comes to Big Hort:
"Control my food, control my politics, control distribution, control my
politics." Just my old-hippie-somewhat-anarchistic opinion.
Jo Canning
Vancouver Island, Canada

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From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:
pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net%3e> On Behalf Of Jan Jeddeloh
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:10 PM
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Question regarding commercial advertising

While we’re griping about Big Horticulture I’d like to add my gripe about
patented plants. I’ve been stung too often by patented pretty faces and
have learned that a patent does not necessarily reflect the value or
grow-ability of the plant, although it seems like it ought to. Too often
big nurseries patent every tiny variation and rush the plant to market.
Sometimes it appears they apply for a patent just to lock up the market for
a year or two and then stop producing the plant once the word gets out that
it’s not a good doer. You go to the nursery, are smitten with the pretty
face, bring home your new plant whereupon it promptly dies. I’ve had this
experience several times. And don’t get me started on the million heucheras
or coneflowers out there. They are sold as perennials but most have an
annual life in your normal, less than perfect home garden. You know, the
home garden that does not have the mythical well drained, evenly moist soil.

Patented plant are also becoming a problem for plant society plant sales.
I organize our NARGS chapter participation in the Hortlandia sale and we
have to watch that we don’t offer patented plants. As more and more plants
are patented it will become harder to find plants we can propagate. Yes
growing from seed it great but many of our members want to donate divisions
and cutting grown plants. Plant tags get lost and it would be very easy to
inadvertently offer a patented plant for sale.

I realize plant breeders want to get some kind of return from their
investment of time and money but it shouldn’t be too much to ask that the
plants be good doers and truly unique. They should also be adequately
trailed. One or two years is just not enough. I have found a couple of
patented plants that are worth growing. Geranium “Roxanne” blooms all
summer, does not spit seed all over and is tough. Salvia “Amistad”, while
tender, puts on a great summer show and is much beloved by bees and
hummingbirds. It also seems rather silly to patent plants that will self
propagated. If it’s going to form a big clump you can easily hack apart
gardeners are going to share it around. This takes no real skill. If you
want to patent a plant it ought to require a bit of skill to propagate or
you will lose the battle of controlling its propagation.

To bring this back around to bulbs does anyone know of any patented bulbs?
I know Terra Nova at one point had applied for a patent on a Cyclamen coum
selection with a Christmas tree marking on the leaves. I wonder if this was
denied because it wouldn’t be hard to find look a likes in many groups of
coum seedlings. It’s not in their current catalog.

Jan Jeddeloh

On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net><

mailto:janemcgary@earthlink.net%3e> wrote:

I've been purchasing plants and bulbs for about 35 years now. I'm

fortunate to live in Clackamas County, Oregon, which has more nurseries
than any other US county, so "local" can mean anything from a daphne at the
farmers' market to a viburnum from the big Monrovia fields on the other
side of the river. I buy some unusual cultivars and rooted cuttings for
cutflowers by mail order, mostly from specialty nurseries. Most years I
obtain some commercial bulbs for planting out in front of the house --
daffodils to distract the bulb fly from the good ones in back, anemones and
crocuses for the bulb lawn, etc. Almost all of my bulb "collection" has
been grown from seed.

I agree with Robin that there's false advertising by large commercial

nurseries, but small ones do so as well, especially in exaggerating
cold-hardiness. They may not mean to, but if you're growing plants on an
island you don't have the same conditions as most of your customers who
live 150 km or more inland. Conversely, nurseries in colder areas who keep
all their stock in greenhouses may produce plants that are hard to
acclimate to outdoor conditions anywhere. Growing your own from seed is
likely to result in losses, but the survivors will be easier to keep, and
much cheaper.

Two years ago I had the experience Ellen mentions of buying a shrub that

had been bulked up by keeping two cuttings in one pot, but I got it at the
farmers' market and the grower told me about it. It's a hybrid daphne; I
was able to disentangle the root systems, potted them separately for a
couple of months before planting out, and now have two very fine shrubs.
This spring I went on a spending spree on Dianthus cultivars. One nursery
sent me excellent plants, but another's plants had been in their pots far
too long (I repotted them and waited until they recovered to plant them
out). I almost never put a purchased plant into the garden the day after I
get it. For one thing, you have to watch them for disease.

As for bulbs that fail, it helps to understand the growth cycles,

natural habitats, and structure of the particular species and genera. Bulbs
with strong tunics, such as tulips, can stand dry storage much better than
those without tunics, such as most Fritillaria. A species native to rocky
desert will survive storage better than one native to river meadows. A
species native to the alpine zone may not flourish without a long winter
dormancy (hence the plants "hardy in Denver" that can't be grown in lowland
gardens). It is also instructive to learn how commercial bulbs are grown
and processed in the Netherlands, where they can be grown in sand, heavily
fertilized, protected from predators, lifted and kept in warehouses
controlled for temperature and humidity, and exported in advantageous
condition. After a month at Home Depot and transfer to a home garden,
they'll likely perform for a year but that may be the limit of their
adaptability. Moreover, controlled conditions can suppress the activity of
viruses, which may resurface in the home garden; that's why all my tulips
are grown from seed, and I buy lily bulbs only from The Lily Garden, which
I trust to provide clean stock.

So read, read, read, and be prepared to lose some plants anyway. You can

identify an experienced gardener by their possession of a big bag of
plantless labels.

Jane McGary

Portland, Oregon, USA

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