Mary Sue wrote: " All of those people who prefer that kind of forum should join it instead." Instead? That might be good advice to those whose primary consideration is the way the forum is structured. But for those of us who participate for the information, I think better advice would be to join both, and to join all such forums - at least to the extent that your time allows. Thanks, Mary Sue, for pointing out something very obvious to you but probably not at all obvious to many forum participants: someone has to do a lot of work to make it happen. I admit that I'm clueless about just how much time really does go into keeping things going. I am aware that the wiki and the forum depend on volunteers to maintain the present state of affairs, and that arrangement does not often allow the luxury of changes. I think one aspect of this discussion is a reflection of internet culture: we expect everything to be free. We need to be reminded occasionally that real people are giving up their real time to make things happen. I hope those of you who are doing all the work are not taking it amiss when someone suggests that things might happen differently. Try to remember that those of us who have had this great resource given to us free don't live in the same world as those of you who have worked so hard to make it the invaluable resource that it is. Jim McKenney