Robin > Do you find that Camas leichtlinii, white form, generally blooms later than the blue? First, the double cream camas is probably a double form of Camassia leichtlinii ssp leichtlinii, the cream camas that is native around Roseburg, Oregon. You can see it in bloom in the medium of the I-5 freeway, starting about twenty miles north of Roseburg, and along side roads, etc. There is a white form of Camassia leichtlinii ssp suksdorfii, and you will see it mixed at random in a large enough population of the blue flowers, flowering at the same time as the blue. Some populations have several whites, some have none at all. The cream camas flowers in late April around Roseburg, and probably about the same time here, meaning the double cream is later than the type and ssp. suksdorfii. If you buy bulbs of the white form, what you get all too often is the cream, not white. Assuming you don't get the blue ssp. suksdorfii, which is what I've received when I ordered the white form. I haven't heard of a white form of C. leichtlinii ssp. leichtlinii, but it's certainly possible. Or, is it? As nearly as I can determine, the only difference between ssp leichtlinii and ssp suksdorfii is flower color--and flower color is usually not a very acceptable definitive characteristic to botanists. > What has surprised me though is how long Iris douglasiana has been blooming, at least a month. Iris douglasiana is a variable species, and some forms bloom early, and are nearly finished, while one received as "late douglasiana" only started in the last week. One of the reasons that I. douglasiana is used so much in hybridizing is that it has branched flower spikes with multiple flowers per stem, unlike many of the other pacific coast Iris. I'm still trying to establish "Mini Ma" seedlings, which I've found rather tender. Mini Ma struggles to reach 6" high, but seedlings vary, almost seeming to be hardier the taller they get. Ken