Hi all, I visited the CPC at Mobot once and talked for quite some time with Ms. Kennedy. Ms. Kennedy was quite polite, perhaps because of my past associations with conservation efforts for bulbs (IUCN bulb committee, v.p. and director of conservation for I.B.S., all at least 10 years ago). I did not approach her as a nurseryman. We had a good chat and she was able to tell me about at least a couple successful re-introductions into the wild. I had been skeptical of it up until that point, because it usually just hasn't worked. So C.P.C. is doing some reasonable things, and has had at least a couple preliminary successes. Some of my best friends work for botanic gardens (Hi, Boyce!) but I have also encountered Obsessive Compulsive behavior, perhaps colored by self-interest, among botanical garden folks. There is a strong tendency to want to monopolize the whole subject. However, when I tried to find refuges in botanical gardens for rare bulb species being salvaged from development sites in Sprain, I got short shrift. We had all the proper papers, and they included my signature promising not to let the bulbs get into commercial channels. I eventually did get them all placed with reasonably secure institutions, but no one would or could guarantee me that they would not have been destroyed or lost in the future. I'm not really confident that any of them are still alive. It's tough world out there, and I am absolutely convinced that anything humanity does not actively preserve will not survive the next century or so. I fear it will be ex situ preservation or no conservation at all. Tony makes a strong argument for propagation and distribution through nurseries. Jim Shields ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Lat. 40° 02.8' N, Long. 086° 06.6' W