We had two large Josephne lilies (wild collected material) in our S. Africa collection since 1973. We typically get one bloom each summer. The massive bulbs have made several offsets which are now very large and for the first time, we have two pairs of blooms. I just posted a image (from yesterday) of the largest pair on our facebook (http://www.facebook.com/UCBotanicalGarden/). Although I've produced many seedlings over the past 5yrs, I'm not sure I'll be around to see them bloom. One of our now retired staff just told me that he started a seed 17yrs ago and it finally bloomed this year. On another topic, for those in our area, we are making arrangements for the local PBSers to meet in the Garden next April. Paul -- Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/