>The important cut is actually through the hillum (pointed) end of the seed. The slice to be cut of needs to be thick enough to leave a tiny hole showing in the cut surface where the ebryo (? radical) will protrude. on a large seed the slice could be nearly as thick as blotting paper. Oh. Thanks. I can be extremely slow at times. I did look at the photos, and then looked at Deno's first supplement last night, and suddenly it dawned on me. You cut the actual seed. Well no wonder the things haven't germinated. Never mind the rant, then. Bob