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Today's Topics:

1. Re: re Rainlilies (steven hart)
2. Re: Changing times (T O)
3. Help with Lilium Nanum (Seaton Ager)
4. Re: Keeping current (with tech) (Erik Van Lennep)
5. Re: Help with Lilium Nanum (Ceridwen Lloyd)
6. Saffron Walden (David Pilling)
7. Re: Saffron Walden (Tim Eck)
8. Re: Help with Lilium Nanum (Jane McGary)
9. PBS forum style and survey (Nhu Nguyen)
10. re joining Facebook (Ina Crossley)
11. Re: re joining Facebook (Jude Haverington)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:54:49 +1000
From: steven hart <hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] re Rainlilies
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Oh Ina, even though you may not read this it means something to say it....
Don't be so disheartened, your input gave me an enthusiastic interest in
zephyranthes & thanks to your contributions I now have a lovely collection
of them...

Im a terrible speller, but we have to let it be water off a ducks back,
there are many out there who's first language is not English & many of us
would never have the time to contribute if we concentrated too hard on the
spelling instead of the point...

But most of all I here you say, you would like to see groups connect or
overlap.. Well we do really, there is facebook groups as you know & I my
self often refer to PBS as a wonderful source of information or a great
place to ask a question, & by doing so I am now in the middle of
overlapping groups in a sense.. But I do know what you mean though...

I have said before, I think one of the reasons some people like
facebook groups is, you can easily download a photo, instead of going
through the time consuming method that is needed to post a link instead..

It would be good to see you still sending your seeds to give others a
chance to grow their love of zephyranthes
Happy collecting
Steven

--
Steven : )
Esk Queensland Australia
Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:58:09 -0800
From: T O <enoster@hotmail.com>
To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Changing times
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This is in response to Ina and Jim's words.

I just turned 29 today, but I get the feeling that I am one of the younger ones into bulbs and (rock) gardening in general (let alone the forum). Things like Ian Young's Bulb Log, PBS wiki and PBS forum are perfect for me because I can easily access them with my phone, which is really just a compact computer with a phone app (smartphones). My free time is little and I must make every moment in my day (and night) count. I have a 1 year old baby girl who I gladly spend most of my free time with, a full time job, and an ever growing list of house chores from my wife. Yet I love bulbs, tending to my rock garden, and expanding my forest garden with all sorts of interesting species mostly from seed. My point in telling you all this is that I probably represent many of the "Millennial" generation by being so busy, thus not having the time or extra income to be a part of any of the great plant societies. I may even be one of few of my generation to have such an obsession with plan

and growing species from seed.

I do wish the PBS offered more ways to interconnect with other members (or an easier way to share pictures, without a third party like Flikr)

-Travis Owen
Rogue River, OR
See my garden pictures on my Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/travislloydowen/

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:22:38 -0800
From: Seaton Ager <m.ager@xtra.co.nz>
To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Help with Lilium Nanum
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Hi Not sure if I am sending this to the correct email to have is displayed as I am new at this, but I hope someone out there can tell me the best way to grow Lilium Nanum, I have terrible trouble with the bulb rotting, what is the best mixture and best position for them to grow, I grow them in pots.

many thanks Mel

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:59:51 +0100
From: Erik Van Lennep <erik@tepuidesign.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Keeping current (with tech)
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Too right, Jim. I work every day at the nexus of ecological regeneration
and opportunities for young people. There is probably a higher interest
than ever amongst those who would put PBS (along with that of many other
organisations) information to good use, so flagging membership is not a
factor of disinterest.

The old maxim is still very true: "If you want to get someone to join you,
walk over and stand beside them, then walk back together to where you'd
like to be." It's beyond pointless to persist in trying to get them to jump
on board your old leaky boat!

And remember a good definition of madness is "repeating the same (futile)
action over and over, expecting a different result".

erik

On 6 November 2014 01:49 Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:12:50 -0800
From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> wrote:

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Erik van Lennep , Europe (Ireland, The Netherlands and Catalunya)

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youth and elders short video <http://vimeo.com/62177578/>

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep/

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:14:51 +1030
From: Ceridwen Lloyd <ceridwen@internode.on.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Help with Lilium Nanum
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I second that request - and does anyone have seed to sell?

Sent from my iPhone

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:48:09 +0000
From: David Pilling <david@pilling.demon.co.uk>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Saffron Walden
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Hi,

Today many of the newspapers in the UK report the return of commercial
saffron growing in England, after a break of 200 years, to the town that
takes its name from the flower "Saffron Walden".

Here's a link:

http://telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/…

--
David Pilling
http://www.davidpilling.com/

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:49:56 -0500
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron Walden
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Saffron grows very well in zone 6 USA. The only problem is voles which will
destroy (decimate is too mild a word) a patch in a few weeks. The secret
involves hardware cloth. It's also very easy to control weeds because the
summer dormancy allows mowing or herbiciding depending on your bent.
(Please don't rant about RoundUp - pure glyphosate is less toxic than table
salt). At my previous house I had about 100 square feet of saffron bed
which grew from a couple of pounds of bulbs a Pennsylvania Dutch friend
gave me. There was no real secret in Lancaster county - they double or
triple each year and need to be thinned every other year.
When I moved, I thought I'd give it a try without the hardware cloth and the
patch disappeared completely except for one or two that bloomed a couple of
years. I still have a few ounces of saffron lying around and giggle every
time I see the prices in stores. The PA Dutch also use 'American saffron'
which is the flower of safflower, a brilliantly yellow orange flowered
annual thistle reminiscent of holly.

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From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:48 AM
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Subject: [pbs] Saffron Walden

Hi,

Today many of the newspapers in the UK report the return of commercial
saffron growing in England, after a break of 200 years, to the town that
takes its name from the flower "Saffron Walden".

Here's a link:

http://telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/…
n-back-into-Saffron-Walden.html

--
David Pilling
http://www.davidpilling.com/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:26:32 -0800
From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Help with Lilium Nanum
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I've grown Lilium nanum (in both cases the purple form) to flowering
twice but was not able to keep it going. This is a small-growing
Himalayan species whose habitat is described as "alpine scrub at
4000-4250 meters." That tells you everything you need to know about
why this bulb is hard for us to grow (unless "we" live in the North
Atlantic rim countries -- I expect the Scots carpet their rock
gardens with it). Alpine bulbs, like other high alpines, have evolved
to survive a long winter dormancy under snow cover, where they are
fairly dry and the temperature is much milder than the air
temperature above the snow. If I get this bulb again, I'll try
overwintering it by drying it off but not completely, sealing the pot
in a plastic freezer bag, and keeping it in the refrigerator (not the
freezer) from November through April. I would use a soil mix of sand,
peat, and (with apologies to non-Northwesterners) lots of ground pumice.

Jane McGary
Portland, Oregon, USA

22 PM 11/5/2014, you wrote:

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:00:12 -0600
From: Nhu Nguyen <xerantheum@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] PBS forum style and survey
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Hi all,

We have discussion about this topic quite periodically on this forum and I
think anyone involving in a plant society will have been in discussion with
their society about dwindling members. The fact is, as Jane McGary one time
pointed out, "young" people now are too distracted and they are not settled
into a more stable economic life until they reach their late or early 40's.
So rather than trying to appeal to young people who would like to grow
plants but have to pay rent instead, the focus should be on people in their
40's and 50's. I think that focus on the middle aged demographics as well
and reaching out to the younger ones should happen simultaneously.

As it turns out, Facebook laments the fact that most of their users are no
longer young people. Younger people have moved on to other fast-paced even
more ephemeral nature of social media. I still think that the Facebook
model works well for spreading words about the PBS, but it does not allow
for deep discussion that could then be archived and retrieved later on. Try
searching for some growing advice by Jim Shields on Hippeastrum and you'd
go mad trying to navigate their search pages.

The Board of Directors have always tried our best to reflect the current
wants of our membership. Sometimes it's not easy since we have to take into
account all demographics of the society. It sounds like there is a want for
a different style of forum, one that allows easy photo attachments. I think
it's time we take some action, but before we could implement anything, we'd
like to hear what YOU, the forum members think and what YOU have to say. If
we have enough interests, we can start the ball rolling. So, let the
discussion begin.

Also, to help us gauge interest, I have created a short survey. Please help
us decide what is the best course of action. It will only take a minute and
will allow you to voice your thoughts on what you'd like your forum to be.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/…

Nhu
PBS President

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 08:09:58 +1300
From: Ina Crossley <klazina1@gmail.com>
To: "PBS >> Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] re joining Facebook
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There seems to be this idea that Facebook is just to socialise and show
yourself off etc. Which for some it is. But for a lot of people, like
me, it is for the groups on Facebook. Groups which cater for all sorts
of plant interests as well as other interests of course.

I read somewhere the ones who socialise go for Twitter or similar,
anything new, and Facebook is increasingly being taken on board by older
people.

If you do consider joining FB, I would suggest you use a pseudonym. I
regret I didn't. Don't give any information about yourself. And check
your profile and untick anything which affects your privacy. Having done
that, just look for your interests.

Ina

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:12:21 -0500
From: Jude Haverington <tylus.seklos@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] re joining Facebook
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And, it's another full time job! :)

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