Bob Nold wrote > Seeds of many species said > to "require" fire can be germinated by cold, if the seeds are cold hardy. > Non-bulbous examples are Romneya coulteri and Fremontodendron > californicum. I hadn't found this paper before; it details a lot of experiments on some difficult-to-sprout California chaparral species, including Romneya: http://werc.usgs.gov/OLDsitedata/seki/… But, Bob, I couldn't find anything about cold inducing sprouting of Romneya. Care to point me in the right direction? The Sunset Book says it will grow in Sunset zone 13, my zone, but friends here and I have not been able to get fall-planted specimens established well enough to survive the next summer. Nor have I been able to sprout seed. Having seedlings to work with would probably be better than plants growing in a nursery gallon container half-full of pure mulch. Romneya has large underground storage roots so it's obviously a bulb. Leo Martin Zone 9? USDA/13 Sunset Phoenix Arizona USA