Hi Ken, Your cross sounds marvelous if it comes off. I know from similar bigeneric crosses I've made using C. procerum and C. pedunculatum that the apomatic seed outcome is the more likely, but on those occasions where bigeneric fertilisation occurs and the seed grows - the maturation of the seed is often the crucial stage. Its at that point that hybrid seed is likely to die - the seeds can become pulpy or fungus infected due to poor epidermal seed cover and the radical fails to emerge. If you lose most of the seed then its very likely that you did make the bigeneric cross - and the issue might well be finding a better seed parent next time around. I've found that large plants of C. procerum are remarkably seed fertile - although usually aptomatically but with persistence and if fertilised in early Autumn the seed have a better prospect of better seed development as I have found in eventually creating Amarcrinums using C, procerum as the seed parent. Cheers Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <kjblack@pacbell.net> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: [pbs] Crinophone ... is it possible? I have this urge to play Frankenstein ... even with my limited knowlege. Earlier this year, I completely covered the sticky end of the stigma(s) on my Crinum asiaticum with Boophone disticha pollen. I repeated this effort over several days in addition to removing the Crinum stamens asap. I've got 7 swelling capsules, which seem fairly firm, but smaller than in previous years. Is such a cross even possible? Are these likely just apomictic seed? http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/4988415236/ Ken Blackford San Diego __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5367 (20100814) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/