B&T likely got theirs from Mesa anyway, so the location should be the same. No matter, I would not hesitate calling your plant M. scabra for the time being. When it flowers key it out. I believe Shinners treatment for Polianthes (=Manfreda) or one of the Mexican flora's are online, though slightly outdated. Where are you located? After three years I would expect flowers if potted on twice in their first year and then planted out or into 1 gallon containers. Polianthes are another matter. Aaron Knoxville, Tennessee --- On Thu, 9/30/10, kuang huang <latsyrc18940@yahoo.com> wrote: From: kuang huang <latsyrc18940@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Manfreda sp comonfort To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:22 PM Aaron, the seeds were not from B&T World, I just found out it was Mesa Garden that I got the seeds from. When I look over their seed catalog, there weren't any Manfreda seeds. Since I bought the seeds in 2007, perhaps the seeds are all sold out. Andy