Dennis wrote: >> Seems we got more seed suppliers than ever before. Not to be disrespectful back, but my experience is different. The thing that touched off my note was the several weeks I spent researching the suppliers list for the wiki. I was surprised that I couldn't find a lot of the seeds that I could easily obtain 15 years ago. The supply of bulbs was about the same, but in my opinion the availability of seeds had dropped a lot, especially in the western hemisphere. Before I did the research, I had the same belief as you, that new online commerce systems had increased the availability of things. I'm sincerely happy for you that you can find lots of Passifloras. But in the case of species bulb seed, diversity of suppliers doesn't seem to mean diversity of supplies. The selection of species bulb seeds from day to day on eBay is not that great. Search for "Calochortus" there today and you get seeds of two species. And yes, I do know about the seed exchange lists. I've been a member of NARGS, AGS, SRGC, IBS, IBSA, CNPS, SIGNA, ASI, and WSWA. But availability there is very hit and miss, and then there's the issue of spending several years of your life growing something only to find out that it was mislabeled. You should have been here when my seeds of Ixia viridiflora finally bloomed last year, and they turned out to be purple. Don't get me wrong, the seed exchanges are great, but it's not the same. To illustrate the situation, here's a selection of some of the North American bulb seeds I could order in the mid-1990s. This is just a sampling of a few genera from a few seed catalogs (yeah, I saved them, so I'd have ID information on the things I was growing). Dennis, if you or anyone else can tell me where to get wild-collected seeds of most of these species online, please let me know. Mike San Jose, CA ===== These are from the Archibalds, Robinett, Northwest Native Seed, and Southwest Allium abramsii acuminatum (rose-violet, 3000') acuminatum (rose-violet, 300') acuminatum (white with lavender tints) amplectans burlewii campanulatum cratericola crenulatum crispum diabloense douglasii v. nevii falcifolium falcifolium (larger form) fimbriatum v. fimbriatum fimbriatum v. purdyi hofmanii howellii v. clokeyi hyalimun jepsonii lacunosum macrum obtusum parvum (white-purple form) parvum (lavender form) peninsulare platycaule sanbornii sanbornii v. congdonii serratum unifolium validum Calochortus albus coast form albus v. albus albus rubellus albus sierra form amabilis amoenus coeruleus howellii minimus monophyllus subalpinus tolmiei 1 (white with lavender centers) tolmiei 2 (lavender flowers) tolmiei 3 (larger white flowers) umbellatus uniflorus aff tolmiei (3" form) argillosus catalinae clavatus (tall form) clavatus (short form) clavatus (intermediate, hardy form) concolor gunnisonii invensutus kennedyi leichtlinii luteus 1 (heavy rainfall) luteus 2 (moderate rainfall) luteus 3 (low rainfall) lyallii macrocarpus nuttallii v. bruneaunis obispoensis plummerae (rose-violet) plummerae (pale form) splendens 1 (pale to deep pink) splendens 2 (pale lavender) splendens 3 (hairier form) superbus 1 (typical form) superbus 2 (no red markings) venustus 1 (white with two spots) venustus 2 (pastel colors, one spot) venustus 3 (deeply colored forms from southern Sierra) venustus (Frazier Park reds) vestae weedii v. weedii weedii v. vestus Fritillaria affinis (coast form) affinis (large yellow-green form) affinis (giant form, from Idaho) agrestis atropurpurea biflora (dark form) biflora (high altitiude form) eastwoodiae glauca (dwarf form) glauca (yellow form) liliacea micrantha pinetorum (lime yellow) pinetorum (high altitude form) pluriflora (600m) pluriflora (400m) pudica pudica (vigorous form) purdyi purdyi (large form) recurva (800m) recurva (1630m) recurva (500m) recurva var. coccinea roderickii viridea Mexican bulb seeds Bessera elegans (red form) Calochortus barbatus exilis purpureus venustulus Milla biflora 2 (large flowered form) Tigridia chrysantha dugesii durangense (taller variety) multiflora Behria tenuiflora