Great minds must think alike, Arnold. As I composed my Sauromatum posting, I toyed with substituting "rat poop" for "rat feces". I didn't realize that the posting had gone out as an html file, and it took a long time to appear in the in box, and in the meantime I imagined the indecency squad going over my post and cleaning it up. While I waited, a little voice kept saying "you should have said 'poop' " Jim McKenney