Dear All, This topic of Mark's from last week is such a good one. I am hoping that he will get around to Part 2 one of these days since Part 1 was so interesting. The others who responded had some really good suggestions too. Even though they have been already mentioned I'd like to put my plug in for Cyclamen and Veltheimia as those two genera are great regardless of the flowers. I also agree that there are a number of Oxalis that I'd grow just for the leaves alone. The flowers are a bonus. How about Veratrum leaves (before the snails get them) and many Erythroniums. My Drimiopsis maculata leaves are much more interesting than the flowers and many of the Ledbouria leaves are very attractive too. Another South Africa genus that has many species with interesting leaves, sometimes wonderfully spotted and striped and sometimes lush is Lachenalia. One of the best for truly wonderfully weird and amazing is Gethyllis. At the IBSA meeting last August with the table full of flowering plants many of us lingered over the Gethyllis plants which weren't even blooming admiring the leaves. Another California native besides Erythronium that has nice leaves is Asarum caudatum. Someone already mentioned Asarum and I think it qualifies. The flowers in this species are probably more strange than attractive, but the leaves are nice and shiny. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers