Well, I have made a few observations here in OH at my uncle's garden. I would say that 90% of the plants that are growing and thriving are a geophyte of some sort. I am really extending that term rather loosely to include perennials with large tapr roots as well. The other 10% are such things as Ssalvias, roses, grasses and a few other "minor" perennials. Top performers are: Penstemon Verbascum Daylilies misc. iris Bletilla Helleborus peonies Alcea lilies (except for the bed of 2 doz Casablanca and Stargazers eaten to 6" stubs by the $*#%&* rabbits) Crinum various alliums Solidago collection (goldenrods) Liatris Eremerus (competes really well with thistles) Baptisia and I am sure there are more that I am not naming. So, I think I will be giving up on most fibrous rooted plants for this garden. So, at 90%, can I call this an extended bulb garden? ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com