At 01:09 29/06/04 -0500, you wrote: >Results so far- all for C. x powellii: > > Elizabeth Lawrence's Charlotte garden Zone 7? 28" deep. > Devon England Zone 7/8 2 ft > Florida W. Coast Zone 8? above ground > Kansas City Zone 5/6 18 inches minimum > Jim, Obviously enough I am not in what could be considered a hardy climate by anywhere other than Australia but I thought I would just add another observation to your listing of the desires of C. x powellii. Here in Canberra, Australia where we are mild by most of your standards (in a big way <grin>) I originally planted my C. x powellii with the bulb about half submerged (which was how the clump was growing where I originally got it from). A few years later the largest bulbis about 10 inches or so across and appears to be virtually sitting on the surface now, with numerous (to say the least) offsets surrounding it, many of flowering size as well. They are currently dormant here and I can take a picture of the dormant clump if anyone thinks that would be useful? It is certainly apparent just how obvious the bulbs are. To be honest, until I read this discussion I never even realised that Crinum SHOULD be buried. I've always seen fairly exposted bulbs. Now I am wondering whether I should have buried recent plantings (i.e the last 12 months) of bulbispermum, moorei (not sure if this is true moorei or not.... a lovely soft pink very floriferous crinum that grow in a few gardens around here), plus a few other hybrids and species I have received from various people here in Aus. In my climate (Zone 8/9 I think.... minimums down to around -8'C each winter) I have always seen crinum bulbs obviously at the surface with a large amount of bulb exposed. This includes at the National Botanic Gardens here in Canberra where they have C. flaccidum and angustifolium growing in established clumps with the bulbs pretty much fully exposed. So, given that my x powellii has pushed itself upwards not downward, maybe they prefer to be at ground level here? I'm just wondering now whether I have done the right thing planting my other Crinums as I have? Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9 Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Cyclamen, Crocus, Cyrtanthus, Oxalis, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything else that doesn't move!!!!!