Jim McKenney jimmckenney@starpower.net wrote: >Another question is for Mark McDonough >and concerns Allium ursinum. {snip} >is this: as Allium go, are A. ursinum and >A. tricoccum closely related? Hi Jim, and PBS crew, I sort of answered this in part, in my last message, posted before seeing your message because I receive my PBS posts in daily digest mode. How close the two species are related, I don't know for sure, but they do indeed resemble each other. It is also true, that Allium tricoccum or "ramps", stands quite alone among the North American allium scene (unrelated to any other N. American allium species), and possibly has relic affinity with Asian flora; the eastern USA plant flora connection to Asian flora a known phenomenon. There is a subspecies burdickii, at one point elevated to species standing (which was ridiculous) and later reduced back to subspecies standing. This variant has red petioles, reddish tinged leaves (traits found among the typical tricoccum as well), and other very minor characteristics that vary only slightly from typical tricoccum. Believe it or not, I have never grown Allium ursinum, out of the hundreds of Allium species and cultivars I have grown. I do have but one single bulb of Allium tricoccum, which has persisted for some 20 years or more, and blooms most years (although sometimes skips a year), but never increases... not even into 2 bulbs! And I've never seen a seedling. I think it's too dry in my garden for it to prosper. Different than A. ursinum, Allium tricoccum often produces spring leaves that disappear totally when it blooms (that's how it behaves in my garden), which is quite a bit different than the behavior of ursinum where both flowers and leaves are present simultaneously, as far as I know. Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.plantbuzz.com/ << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types!