Dave: The great thing about this forum is our ability to share information. We need more people like Jim Waddick and Jim Shields in the colder zones to take our lists and keep pushing those envelopes. At 06:49 PM 6/24/2004 +0100, you wrote: >>>>>>>I'll see your crinum list and raise you another list. > >Hi Tony, >OK I'll lay my cards on the table. Tony, if you remember, you did supply me >with a few on my list so they should be hardy. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdel.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent