Hi Kevin and all, The Louisiana riverine plant, my #664, is finishing blooming just now. The H. liriosme from coastal Texas have not bloomed yet, although they are in the same greenhouse. I tried self-pollinating the #664; maybe I'll get a few seeds -- sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, with #664. The foliage of #664 is thinner than that of the Texas liriosme. Last summer, the Texas liriosme bloomed in mid-summer. I'm waiting to see when it blooms this year. As noted, one bulb of the Texas liriosme survived the winter here outdoors in the ground -- and very protected. I had assumed that #664 was liriosme, until I saw the plants Thad sent me as liriosme. Now I am a bit more skeptical about that identity. It may simply be a local Louisiana variant of liriosme. At 09:51 AM 4/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >........... >Jim Shields, the plant you gave me from LA, a riverivne plant, looks like >Jim Zimmerman's H. caroliniana, which looks to me like H. liriosme, with a >yellow center and long tepals - H. coronaria is from rivers in LA and AL to >SC and has yellow centers, but tepals are short. This is not H. >occidentalis (Howard suggests H. caroliniana = H. occidentalis, which is in >accurate since occidentalis is vailid and H. caroliniana refers to >Pancratium maritimum)... Most of what is sold as H. caroliniana is actually H. occidentalis. The name occidentalis also seems to cover what Thad Howard refers to as galvestonensis. I have not tested the Louisiana "galvestonensis" (occidentalis) outdoors in the ground yet. All the other accessions I have of occidentalis seem to be hardy here in the ground. Regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana >Thad Howard in BULBS for Warm Climates suggests that H. choctawensis might >be a syn for liriosme. This is incorrect, as they are not the same species >as anyone who has sen both would understand. That is not to say that at >some point in LA there isn't introgression and possible hybridization >between these two. >............. >Kevin Preuss ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA