Dear All'; Seeing Jim McK's O. magnum reminds me of one here. I suppose the universally weedy O. umbellatum has turned off many gardeners to any other Ornithogalum, too bad. A few years ago I bought a half dozen O. ponticum from Janis Ruksans. All but one bulb died, but that single bulb has grown and formed into a nice clump blooming now and very similar to Jim's O. magnus. I rarely see any mention of O. ponticum and what little I read suggests it is much too tender for Kansas City. Any one else have experience with this species? Not quite as large as O. magnus, but very worthy as a garden addition. Thanks Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +