I guess we all eventually have the experience of someone else doing really well something you yourself really want to be able to do. I had that experience today when one of my local gardening friends, Dan Weil, forwarded the link to some Cardiocrinum photos he did in his garden. Wow! I think the rest of you will enjoy these, too. Take a look at: http://www.pbase.com/danielweil/cardiocrinum/ The garden is on a Maryland hillside overlooking the Potomac River near Harper's Ferry, West Virginia. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where we had about seven inches of rain last night - about 1/2 inch of it ended up in the basement.